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Old 09-27-2012, 05:36 AM   #21
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Just remember that a standard "hand" grease gun is capable of putting 5-10,000 PSI pressure out. If there is any resistance when trying to put grease into the zerks, stop! and find out what the resistance is. I've seen many many blown seals and greasy brake linings from these types of axles. Bottom line is if you inspect your brakes yearly like you are suppose to then you are to replace the seal anyway. If the repacking of the bearings is done correctly then you shouldn't need any grease until next repack. I wish they would use oil bath hubs and be done with it.

BTW, don't forget to check the stainless wear sleeve that the seal rides on. I replace mine every time. Some axles don't have these sleeves.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:41 AM   #23
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You are lucky it is only a $100 repair. My bearing let go while on a busy highway. Did not know and it got so hot that it burnt the brakes pads and cracked the the hubs. By the time I got the trailer out of the repair shop the total cast was almost $3000.
Wow. You definitley got ripped off, in my opinion. You could have put 2 complete brand new axles with new wheels, tires- the whole works- for way less than $3000.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:45 AM   #24
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Wow. You definitley got ripped off, in my opinion. You could have put 2 complete brand new axles with new wheels, tires- the whole works- for way less than $3000.

I just had a single Dexter (6,000 lb) axle installed along with hubs/rims/tires. (including spare) for $2,500.00. Mind you I did go with load range "e" tires.
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:47 AM   #25
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I just had a single Dexter (6,000 lb) axle installed along with hubs/rims/tires. (including spare) for $2,500.00. Mind you I did go with load range "e" tires.
Unless these are some type of special axle that I'm unaware of, I'd say you got ripped off too. I see dexter 6000 pound axles at around mid $500's as seen here:

Dexter 6000 LB Axle

Even if you opt for a fancy aluminum wheel, you should be able to get wheels and tires for $600 per axle- maybe $700. That puts you at around $1250 total per axle for all new hardware. I'd hate to know I paid someone $1250 to install 1 axle. As per my original statement, I'd think that at a total cost of $2500 for the parts, $500 would be a pretty reasonable price to jack up a trailer, remove 16 bolts, cut 4 wires, slide the old axles out, the new ones in, and reinstall. This would be a grand total of $3000 for 2 complete new axles installed with new wheels and tires. Maybe the work is being done at an RV dealer and you are being WAY overcharged for what is really a pretty basic job and shouldn't really take real long to do????
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Unless these are some type of special axle that I'm unaware of, I'd say you got ripped off too. I see dexter 6000 pound axles at around mid $500's as seen here:

Dexter 6000 LB Axle

Even if you opt for a fancy aluminum wheel, you should be able to get wheels and tires for $600 per axle- maybe $700. That puts you at around $1250 total per axle for all new hardware. I'd hate to know I paid someone $1250 to install 1 axle. As per my original statement, I'd think that at a total cost of $2500 for the parts, $500 would be a pretty reasonable price to jack up a trailer, remove 16 bolts, cut 4 wires, slide the old axles out, the new ones in, and reinstall. This would be a grand total of $3000 for 2 complete new axles installed with new wheels and tires. Maybe the work is being done at an RV dealer and you are being WAY overcharged for what is really a pretty basic job and shouldn't really take real long to do????
The axle I got is "torsion" double the price you suggest as per this link

Dexter Torsion Axles

Mine with "EZ lube" is $1,000.00 alone. Add the hubs, electric brakes, rims & tires & spare and 5 hours shop labor as the Dexter was not a straight out swap ( a little frame mod & welding required). It is not hard to find $2500.00 reasonable. Tires on rims alone "e" rated were $600.00.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:20 AM   #27
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A big 10/4 on the minimum grease from the factory. I once read a thread on the amount of grease the hubs took when greasing the easy way, and, yes it's true. I used 2/3 of a tube on each hub and two rolls of paper towels before I was through with all four hubs. I could not believe the black mud that was coming out.
That black "mud" is just the factory grease. I don't think you had to put quite that much grease in!
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Unless these are some type of special axle that I'm unaware of, I'd say you got ripped off too. I see dexter 6000 pound axles at around mid $500's as seen here:

Dexter 6000 LB Axle

Even if you opt for a fancy aluminum wheel, you should be able to get wheels and tires for $600 per axle- maybe $700. That puts you at around $1250 total per axle for all new hardware. I'd hate to know I paid someone $1250 to install 1 axle. As per my original statement, I'd think that at a total cost of $2500 for the parts, $500 would be a pretty reasonable price to jack up a trailer, remove 16 bolts, cut 4 wires, slide the old axles out, the new ones in, and reinstall. This would be a grand total of $3000 for 2 complete new axles installed with new wheels and tires. Maybe the work is being done at an RV dealer and you are being WAY overcharged for what is really a pretty basic job and shouldn't really take real long to do????

Dustman...here is the breakdown.

Dexter 6000 lb torsion axle - $900.00 (factoring deliver to Canada)
2 Alloy Rims (15 inch) – $246.00
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/wheels/alloy-wheels/product/0348346P/trailer-wheels-style-136/
1 Steel Rim (15 inch) – $89.00
3 tires (15 inch) - $498.00
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/light-truck-tires/product/0087013P/goodyear-marathon-trailer-tire/0087016/
900 + 246 + 89 + 498 = 1733 (with applicable taxes where I am ~ 2,000).
My labor was approx. $500.00 for 5 hours which is understandable shop rate (labor was 80.00/hr + applicable taxes where I am.) I was there for part of the work and it was far from a straight swap out the Dexter product needed to be fitted with a new bracket and custom welded to the trailer).
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:42 PM   #29
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That black "mud" is just the factory grease. I don't think you had to put quite that much grease in!
I agree, but after reading the thread, I checked mine for the first time. Bought the TT the end of June. There was very little grease in the hubs. It took what I considered form past experience a lot of grease.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:53 PM   #30
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Dustman...here is the breakdown.

Dexter 6000 lb torsion axle - $900.00 (factoring deliver to Canada)
2 Alloy Rims (15 inch) – $246.00
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/wheels/alloy-wheels/product/0348346P/trailer-wheels-style-136/
1 Steel Rim (15 inch) – $89.00
3 tires (15 inch) - $498.00
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/light-truck-tires/product/0087013P/goodyear-marathon-trailer-tire/0087016/
900 + 246 + 89 + 498 = 1733 (with applicable taxes where I am ~ 2,000).
My labor was approx. $500.00 for 5 hours which is understandable shop rate (labor was 80.00/hr + applicable taxes where I am.) I was there for part of the work and it was far from a straight swap out the Dexter product needed to be fitted with a new bracket and custom welded to the trailer).
If you'll look back at my original post, you'll notice that I did include a disclaimer about a more expensive axle- it hadn't been mentioned before what type of axle was being discussed. If you'll go back and read my post, I also didn't include an extra wheel and tire- you may have mentioned this originally and I didn't catch it. I stand by my original statement that replacing 2 drums, hubs, bearings and some brakes at a cost of $3000 is outrageous. Maybe some other work was required that wasn't originally mentioned(or maye I missed something)??? Also, if you are talking $2500 Canadian, I think we are on 2 different pages anyway as far as cost goes.
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If you'll look back at my original post, you'll notice that I did include a disclaimer about a more expensive axle- it hadn't been mentioned before what type of axle was being discussed. If you'll go back and read my post, I also didn't include an extra wheel and tire- you may have mentioned this originally and I didn't catch it. I stand by my original statement that replacing 2 drums, hubs, bearings and some brakes at a cost of $3000 is outrageous.
Not hard to go back and check the post;
"I just had a single Dexter (6,000 lb) axle installed along with hubs/rims/tires. (including spare) for $2,500.00. Mind you I did go with load range "e" tires."
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Guys, this thread got totally off topic with the discussion on the Canadian vs. U.S. dollar. I moved those comments here: http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...lar-29818.html
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I know that I got ripped off but when you are stuck in a large city with no other place to go you are at the mercy of the vultures. To add insult to injury the CG was charging us $75 for a site that was so small when I had my slides out I did not have room to extend my awning. That is why the say that BC Canada means BRING CASH. They did change everything but the axles.
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I know that I got ripped off but when you are stuck in a large city with no other place to go you are at the mercy of the vultures. To add insult to injury the CG was charging us $75 for a site that was so small when I had my slides out I did not have room to extend my awning. That is why the say that BC Canada means BRING CASH. They did change everything but the axles.
$75.00 bucks a night ?

Damn I get full hook ups in a state park with 800 deer a swimming pool and a bar within 2 miles and 75 feet from camper to camper for $18.00 a night !

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$75.00 bucks a night ?

Damn I get full hook ups in a state park with 800 deer a swimming pool and a bar within 2 miles and 75 feet from camper to camper for $18.00 a night !

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I had all for hubs and brakes replaced and I agree it was too expensive. But when you are traveling and do not know were to go you take a change at service. The tech also found that the brakes on one side of the trailer were overheating because forest river wired the brakes at the driver side first and then jumped to the pass. side. Because of the wiring set up on side was getting full power while the other side got a lot less. I had brake pads on that had less then 4000 miles on them that were heat checked. What ever you do to one side of the axle you have to do to the other. They also rewired my brakes at the same time. As for the cost of the CG look up Camping in Burnaby/Vancouver. As I stated before BC Canada stand for BRING CASH and not British Columbia.
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Not hard to go back and check the post;
"I just had a single Dexter (6,000 lb) axle installed along with hubs/rims/tires. (including spare) for $2,500.00. Mind you I did go with load range "e" tires."
Don't see anything there about torsion axles. And for the sake of the original argument of $3000 being too expensive for 2 axles, I didnt't address the spare since it was an additional cost outside of my original point.

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My original statement was that I could buy 2 complete axles, 4 wheels and 4 tires for less that $3000. I was rebutted with the $2500 post. I responded to that rebuttal by pointing out that a non-standard axle must have been used- which turned out to be a torsion axle. I also felt the extra purchases of the spare wheel and tire were out of bounds in a rebuttal directed toward me because that inflated the $2500 total (as did the load range e tires). I feel this discussion is going somewhat the wrong direction. I only intended to point out that the OP was taken advantage of- which he acknowledges above.
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I know that I got ripped off but when you are stuck in a large city with no other place to go you are at the mercy of the vultures. To add insult to injury the CG was charging us $75 for a site that was so small when I had my slides out I did not have room to extend my awning. That is why the say that BC Canada means BRING CASH. They did change everything but the axles.
I definitely feel for you there. It seems like they just know when you are at their mercy and charge accordingly.
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Don't see anything there about torsion axles. And for the sake of the original argument of $3000 being too expensive for 2 axles, I didnt't address the spare since it was an additional cost outside of my original point.
I now realize that I must have spent way to much time debating this topic. I am quite willing to admit that you are quite correct in everything you have posted and I suggest that members disregard my posts. So sorry to have offended you. Please take this as the end of this debate
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I agree, but after reading the thread, I checked mine for the first time. Bought the TT the end of June. There was very little grease in the hubs. It took what I considered form past experience a lot of grease.
Mine needed a complete flush as well. The bearings were hand packed and installed in the hubs with no additional filling of the ultralube hubs. In fact in my case two of the Zerks were rolling around in the dust cap as they were never tightened and fell off. They took a full tube to fill the 4 hubs the first time.

Now they get a squirt in each Zerk to put fresh grease between the rollers before we leave. That last bearing repack, the mechanic said the bearings looked brand new.
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