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Old 06-05-2014, 10:52 AM   #1
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Grey Wolf 23DBH - Buying a TV for it - Get away with 1/2 Ton?

After much research I am about to purchase my first camper, a Grey Wolf 23DBH. My wife wants to take our family (2 young kids) camping across the country, so I'm making it happen. The 23DBH TT is 29', has a dry hitch weight of 619lbs and an unloaded vehicle weight of 5,385lbs. I will be purchasing a TV - will be used as a daily driver as well as be 2-3 years old - can't afford to buy brand new. I've read a ton about payload weight really being the killer. That said, I'm not sure which way to go - F150 with EcoBoost and HD tow package (including a WDH), or just go ahead and step up to a 3/4 ton diesel. I plan on towing at least one long distance camping trip out West a year, along with 6 or so trips in the 2-10 hr range. I'm pretty sure the F150 will be capable, I just don't want to feel undergunned when I'm towing in mountains and/or long distances. Opinions welcome!
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Old 06-05-2014, 11:07 AM   #2
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Go big! You won't regret it. Started w/ a Ford Exploder w/ a Jayco Kiwi. Then move up to a Greywolf 28BH w/ a Nissan Titan. As long as it was a flat run all was good. As soon as you hit the hills the tranny would heat up. Sold the Nissan and stepped up to an F350. Now we have a 10,000lb + 5ver. Truck does not know the trailer is back there. Good Luck!
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:43 PM   #3
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Go big or go home.

You want at least a 2500, And a diesel would be the best option. If you are going to camp around your home and just do short trips the 1/2 ton would be "OK". If you are going to do a long trip, (especially out west) then you want the bigger truck. Lots of passes from Colorado to the pacific!! I would go With a GM Duramax but I work for a dealer so I am biased. Any of the Domestic 2500-3500 would work good for you. Big brakes, big engine and big transmission will make you happy!!
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Most properly equipped 150/1500 series trucks should handle it pretty well. One thing these trucks usually come with, except in a few trims, are P rated tires. When you start towing close to the limits, it makes you feel like you are towing on marshmallows. LT tires are a way to go. Also, do not skimp on hitch setup. Get the best you can afford.
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Last summer I pulled a V-Cross 26VBH up into Colorado with a 2012 F150 ecoboost with 3.55 gears. My weight and length was very similar to your Grey Wolf. The TV pulled better than I expected. I easily maintained speed on the gradual grades and was able to maintain 45+ mph on the not so gradual grades.

I have now upgraded to a Flagstaff V-lite that is 6400lbs dry and I am confident that I would be able to traverse CO with it.
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm torn - both have their pros and cons. I'm leaning more towards a 3/4 ton, but the daily mileage and the recent issues with some of the late model motors makes me worry a bit. I know maintenance is also going to be more with the diesel and god forbid if something major breaks out of warranty. I've always been a prepare for the worst, hope for the best - I'd rather have plenty of truck than not being comfortable on the road.
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm torn - both have their pros and cons. I'm leaning more towards a 3/4 ton, but the daily mileage and the recent issues with some of the late model motors makes me worry a bit. I know maintenance is also going to be more with the diesel and god forbid if something major breaks out of warranty. I've always been a prepare for the worst, hope for the best - I'd rather have plenty of truck than not being comfortable on the road.
I am kinda in the same boat. I am torn between a Ram 1500 diesel and Ram 2500 diesel. I tow 6 to 8 times a year, and for me, being a tad over my GVW and having to take it slower on hills is the sacrifice that I will make for a better riding truck that gets way better fuel mileage empty.

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Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm torn - both have their pros and cons. I'm leaning more towards a 3/4 ton, but the daily mileage and the recent issues with some of the late model motors makes me worry a bit. I know maintenance is also going to be more with the diesel and god forbid if something major breaks out of warranty. I've always been a prepare for the worst, hope for the best - I'd rather have plenty of truck than not being comfortable on the road.
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I am kinda in the same boat. I am torn between a Ram 1500 diesel and Ram 2500 diesel. I tow 6 to 8 times a year, and for me, being a tad over my GVW and having to take it slower on hills is the sacrifice that I will make for a better riding truck that gets way better fuel mileage empty.

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I forgot to add to my previous post, the $10k difference in price for similar equipped trucks, then then more for registration (commercial vs passenger, yearly vs bi-yearly, 10kgvw vs 7kgvw), more for sales tax, excise tax, yearly inspection for over 8.5kgvw vs bi-yearly inspection for under 8.5kgvw. It all adds up. Although your situation may be different where you live.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:09 AM   #9
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I recommend go diesel. I get 18.5 avg (drive to work on hi-way and home on back roads). Towing so far I get 12.3 (4K lb TT).

The maint is basically the same AFAIK (3 oil changes for Gas = 1 oil change for Diesel)... when I had my F-150 - I changed the oil every 5K miles. Dodge Ram 2500 6.7L CTD 3.42GR - oil will get changed at 15K.
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If you're going to stay at that camper weight for a long time (most of us don't), IMO a well equipped 1/2 ton would be my choice...Most likely an ecoboost, otherwise...3/4 ton diesel
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