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Old 08-11-2012, 12:35 PM   #11
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^Ford website - no.
...but then there are different numbers other places...
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_F150_Specs.pdf
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Old 08-11-2012, 12:42 PM   #12
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"the sticker in the door says combined cargo and passengers should not exceed xxxx lbs."
AH HA! That is true.
Rated cargo load is never mentioned by Ford - only payload is. AND payload is not specified as including 6 passengers.

Am I getting it?
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Your best estimate without weighing it is GVWR of 7200 and subtract your 1502 available payload and you have a curb weight of roughly 5700 (probably due to 4wd and options if you have either). Usually those estimated curbs are stripped down 2wd single cabs. So with that, the payload with a full truck at 150lbs each seat leaves you at about 600 lbs in cargo. Add more if you and your family weigh less or subtract if you weigh more.
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"the sticker in the door says combined cargo and passengers should not exceed xxxx lbs."
AH HA! That is true.
Rated cargo load is never mentioned by Ford - only payload is. AND payload is not specified as including 6 passengers.

Am I getting it?
You are definitely on the right track. Now if you dont have six people you can add your 150lbs per back into cargo.

For my example, im allowed 3440 lbs. - 750 lbs for passengers, leaves me roughly at 2750 lbs for cargo. But since we are a family of four, im back at 2900 lbs. I weigh about 150, dw about 100, daughter is 40 lbs, son is 25 lbs. So with that, we calculate me as a wash and add 50 lbs of cargo for the DW, 110 for daughter, 125 for son....adding those, im at 3185 available cargo when im ready to roll
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Old 08-11-2012, 06:59 PM   #15
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Thanks for the help, friend. It makes sense now.
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Not a problem, that is what the forum is intended for......anytime you need it, we're here
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Not trying to beat a dead horse here...
I'm a newbie to the site. (so please excuse my ignorance)...
I gather from the discussion you're referring to RV's. Does the same apply to TT's as well? In other words, when considering cargo carrying capacity, I need to include weight of all passengers (>150 in my case), and also the weight of fresh water on board in holding tanks, grey and black, + all other cargo on board?

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Is the weight of fresh water in the holding tank considered "fluid necessary for operation of the vehicle"?

Unloaded vehicle weight" is defined in 49 CFR 571.3 as "the weight of a vehicle with maximum capacity of all fluids necessary for operation of the vehicle, but without cargo, occupants, or accessories that are ordinarily removed from the vehicle when they are not in use
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Not trying to beat a dead horse here...
I'm a newbie to the site. (so please excuse my ignorance)...
I gather from the discussion you're referring to RV's. Does the same apply to TT's as well? In other words, when considering cargo carrying capacity, I need to include weight of all passengers (>150 in my case), and also the weight of fresh water on board in holding tanks, grey and black, + all other cargo on board?

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Is the weight of fresh water in the holding tank considered "fluid necessary for operation of the vehicle"?

Unloaded vehicle weight" is defined in 49 CFR 571.3 as "the weight of a vehicle with maximum capacity of all fluids necessary for operation of the vehicle, but without cargo, occupants, or accessories that are ordinarily removed from the vehicle when they are not in use
The sticker on my camper states that UVW does not include water.
It is the "As it Left the Factory" weight. Obviously, people or your cargo would not have been in the camper when it left the factory.

I do not believe it includes propane or the battery either as those are added at the dealer.

In motor vehicles the "Curb weight" (or UVW for motor vehicles) for a given model also includes a "full tank of gas and full oil" and a SINGLE 150 pound driver.
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I stand corrected. Thanks to a PM from Beausdog I researched my notes and found I have been "smooshing" terms together.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/...d_Workbook.pdf defines curb weight (the equivelent of UVW in campers) and it does not include the driver.

However, the 150 pound driver is added to the curb weight when calculating all tow ratings. Available payload is calculated as GVWR minus curb weight minus 150 pound driver. Max tow rating is calculated with a truck being driven by a 150 pound driver.

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Base weight requirements that reflect real-world towing situations are responsible for most of the ratings reductions. Before J2807, automakers referenced only a 150-pound driver as payload.
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However, the 150 pound driver is added to the curb weight when calculating all tow ratings. Available payload is calculated as GVWR minus curb weight minus 150 pound driver.
This part is the confusing one....payload does not define passengers just weight so with that you need to factor how many people you have for seats in your TV. The manufacturer calculates 150 lbs per seat for payload. As stated before i have 5 seats and payload rating of 3340. With that if i have 5 people at 150 lbs in each seat, my actual available cargo load capacity is only 2590 lbs. Add 150 back for any empty seat you may have. Add the weight difference if the passenger or driver is under 150 and subtract the difference if the person is over 150.
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