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Old 02-23-2016, 11:27 PM   #1
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Had it weighed, so what do the numbers tell me?

So, I took our Rockwood through a set of scales and am curious if the numbers mean anything. We had it loaded up like we always do, minus a few pounds of food. Full fresh water tank. Full tank of gas. DW and dog were at home. Truck was loaded with all the stuff (about 100lbs or so) we take for the weekend.

Truck: 2013 F-150
GVWR 7,100
GAWR - Front 3,600
GAWR - Rear 3,850
Payload 1,724
Towing Capacity 8,100
GCWR - 13,500

Truck only:
Front - 3,140
Rear - 2,580
Gross - 5,720

With camper:
Front - 2,860
Rear - 3,980
Trailer axle - 6,780
Gross - 13,620

So, when I look at this, it appears I am just over on GCWR.

It also appears I have about 1,120 tongue weight. That works out to about 14% of the trailer weight.

Plenty of truck payload left for another person or two.....but it will be over the GCWR and further push the weight on the rear axle over.

The one thing I find interesting is the weight on the front axle went down by 280lbs. Could that be because the WDH was set up with tanks and trailer empty and now it should be readjusted or is that little amount immaterial?

I would imagine some of these would come down with 300lbs of reduced trailer weight from an empty freshwater tank, but we usually have to bring our water with us.

Truck really doesn't sag much and seems to ride ok. Sometimes the wind makes me nervous, but it is never more than one rock and it is settled out again. Semis passing head on on a two lane road have no effect.

This is it empty.
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Thoughts? I feel like I am ok, but on the border. No need to rush out and get a new truck, but also shouldn't load up the bed either.
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Old 02-23-2016, 11:45 PM   #2
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I think your front end may be a little light in the loafers! Pulling that much weight off the front is probably not good. Try another link in the WDH bars and shift some of that weight toward the trailer and lighten the load on your hitch.
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Old 02-24-2016, 01:41 AM   #4
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I think you are off on the tongue weight. You will find a more accurate tongue weight weighing without the wdh hooked up as the wdh shifts some of the tongue weight forward to the front axle and done back into the trailer.

From what I see here, you appear to be too tongue heavy. Ideal tongue weight us 13-15% of loaded tt weight. The current figures indicate a TW of closer to 16.5%. I would shift some items rear of the axle. Too heavy a tongue weight can cause just as many handling issues as too light a TW.

Readjust your cargo. Go reweigh doing 3 passes. 1st pass, just truck. 2nd pass truck plus tt no wdh. 3rd pass truck plus tt with wdh.

Now once you have your tongue weight within the 13-15% range, readjust your wdh. The use a is to get your front axle back as close to unloaded weight as possible without going heavier. Once you do this, I think you will find your handling to be better. Oh and by the way, your available payload is 7100 lbs - 5720 lbs= 1380 lbs... subtract the weight of your wife and the dog to be even more accurate. Your towing capacity is 13,500 - 5720= 7780 lbs (again subtract the weight of spouse, pets etc. )
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:42 PM   #5
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Try going to Escapees.com. They have some great info regarding weighing, weight distribution and safe operations.
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:34 PM   #6
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So, I took our Rockwood through a set of scales and am curious if the numbers mean anything. We had it loaded up like we always do, minus a few pounds of food. Full fresh water tank. Full tank of gas. DW and dog were at home. Truck was loaded with all the stuff (about 100lbs or so) we take for the weekend.

Truck: 2013 F-150
GVWR 7,100
GAWR - Front 3,600
GAWR - Rear 3,850
Payload 1,724
Towing Capacity 8,100
GCWR - 13,500

Truck only:
Front - 3,140
Rear - 2,580
Gross - 5,720

With camper:
Front - 2,860
Rear - 3,980
Trailer axle - 6,780
Gross - 13,620

So, when I look at this, it appears I am just over on GCWR.

It also appears I have about 1,120 tongue weight. That works out to about 14% of the trailer weight.

Plenty of truck payload left for another person or two.....but it will be over the GCWR and further push the weight on the rear axle over.

The one thing I find interesting is the weight on the front axle went down by 280lbs. Could that be because the WDH was set up with tanks and trailer empty and now it should be readjusted or is that little amount immaterial?

I would imagine some of these would come down with 300lbs of reduced trailer weight from an empty freshwater tank, but we usually have to bring our water with us.

Truck really doesn't sag much and seems to ride ok. Sometimes the wind makes me nervous, but it is never more than one rock and it is settled out again. Semis passing head on on a two lane road have no effect.

This is it empty.
https://goo.gl/photos/sq7KFQ7Q9BWdt8yZ6

Thoughts? I feel like I am ok, but on the border. No need to rush out and get a new truck, but also shouldn't load up the bed either.
Hope not to sound curt, not my intent but your weights tell me you forgot to get the same set of weights without WDH, like a squared pointed out. Your WDH moved some TW to the trailer but we don't know how much. But we also know 280 went from the front axle to the rear which contributed the rear axle slight ly over weight. It sounds to me that you need at least 1400 to 1500# bars. If you could shift that 280 back front you would be golden IMO. I go by front and rear distance to the ground when adjusting WDH. With an occasional scale weight.
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Like was said earlier, 3 tickets for a weight distribution hitch:

Truck alone
Truck and camper together WDH Bars/Chains OFF
Truck and camper together WDH Bars/Chains ON

Tongue weight limits are with WD bars/chains off as hitch "sees" entire load regardless of what axles it shows up on.
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OK. Thanks, all. I did not know about having to weight it three times. Once with the WDH bars off.

I guess when manufacturers publish capacities, they do it with the cheapest trim package and the sticker on the door should read:
"Payload capacity - 1,724lbs. Provided you didn't get air conditioning, power seats, power windows/door locks or basically anything else that makes it nice."

I say that because as I understand it, they rate them with a full tank of gas and 150lb driver. I'm only about 40lbs over that.

So, I'll put on my list of things to re-weigh it. This time I'll do it three times.

thanks,
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OK. Thanks, all. I did not know about having to weight it three times. Once with the WDH bars off.

I guess when manufacturers publish capacities, they do it with the cheapest trim package and the sticker on the door should read:
"Payload capacity - 1,724lbs. Provided you didn't get air conditioning, power seats, power windows/door locks or basically anything else that makes it nice."

I say that because as I understand it, they rate them with a full tank of gas and 150lb driver. I'm only about 40lbs over that.

So, I'll put on my list of things to re-weigh it. This time I'll do it three times.

thanks,
the brochure/website "dry" numbers are for a stripped-down version of the trailer.
no so-called "options", no battery, no propane.
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the brochure/website "dry" numbers are for a stripped-down version of the trailer.
no so-called "options", no battery, no propane.
This applies to truck ratings too. The "Curb Weight" is for that model with no options. Once you start adding stuff to the truck, curb weight goes up and payload/tow rating goes down.
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