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Old 03-03-2014, 01:38 PM   #11
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Yes, the 6.0 will struggle with grade. The 8.1L with Allison transmission in my TV takes the grades fine. Maxes out at about 3500rpm on steep grades without a substantial decrease in speed. However my average is 8mpg. I will upgrade to a 350/3500 or 450/4500 when it's time for my next TV.
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Old 03-03-2014, 03:12 PM   #12
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I tow the equivalent to the Sierra in our Sabre36qbok. Our TV is a 2004 SilveradoHD 8.1l gasser and have been very satisfied with our towing experience. The pin weight of the Sabre is 1850 and Im rated for 2500. I did install Firestone airbags and that was a tremendous help.It will depend on your typical towing route. I tow mostly close to home on relatively flat to rolling terrain even though in have towed about 1500m this past year and over Jellico Mtn twice.
Just so the OP has the info he is searching...your posted pin weight of 1850 is the unloaded number...right (most likely just over 2K loaded)?
Your 2500lb truck payload number is before you subtract the weight of your cab gear, people and bed gear/hitch...right?
Again...If OP has similiar truck to yours it'll be good for him to see how the numbers wash out, whether it be over or under so they decide if they feel safe with the calculated weights
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Old 03-03-2014, 03:37 PM   #13
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Just so the OP has the info he is searching...your posted pin weight of 1850 is the unloaded number...right (most likely just over 2K loaded)?
Your 2500lb truck payload number is before you subtract the weight of your cab gear, people and bed gear/hitch...right?
Again...If OP has similiar truck to yours it'll be good for him to see how the numbers wash out, whether it be over or under so they decide if they feel safe with the calculated weights
Correct you are in each case. I typically don't travel with excess weight (water in tanks etc). I am pushing my max if not over a tad. I know the argument that air bags do not technically offset pin weight but I do know, by towing at different PSI's on my air bag, the towing experience is much better and I feel more comfortable. I also have noticed I tow smoother when I have a full load on the bike rack as a counter balance. It definitely is a judgment call based on your towing experience and comfort level. As stated, my next TV will definitely be a 350/3500+ but the DW won't approve at this time . I think the OP's equal if not larger issue is the 6.0 engine. In my set up as it is now, I would not be happy with less than the 8.1
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Old 03-03-2014, 03:54 PM   #14
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Correct you are in each case. I typically don't travel with excess weight (water in tanks etc). I am pushing my max if not over a tad. I know the argument that air bags do not technically offset pin weight but I do know, by towing at different PSI's on my air bag, the towing experience is much better and I feel more comfortable. I also have noticed I tow smoother when I have a full load on the bike rack as a counter balance. It definitely is a judgment call based on your towing experience and comfort level. As stated, my next TV will definitely be a 350/3500+ but the DW won't approve at this time . I think the OP's equal if not larger issue is the 6.0 engine. In my set up as it is now, I would not be happy with less than the 8.1
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Not to butt in, but how about a Sandpiper 355RE (11838lbs dry, 15500lbs maxx, advertised pin wt 2015lbs) behind a 2012 Silverado 2500. Max pin 3000lbs, max trailer wt 15700. Even with kitchen sink, we won't load 3662 lbs. Never have water in tanks. Only she and I in the truck now. Had a 28' TT til now. Relieve my mind!
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Also remember there is no law that says you have to tow 55-65 mph in the mountains. Semi's don't, so why do you? We've towed in the Appalachians, Ozark & Smokey mountains with a 5.3L and a 3.23 rear end. I just get in the truck lane and can usually stay with or pass the semis.
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Not to butt in, but how about a Sandpiper 355RE (11838lbs dry, 15500lbs maxx, advertised pin wt 2015lbs) behind a 2012 Silverado 2500. Max pin 3000lbs, max trailer wt 15700. Even with kitchen sink, we won't load 3662 lbs. Never have water in tanks. Only she and I in the truck now. Had a 28' TT til now. Relieve my mind!
You can use this tool to get a good feel for what your pin weight may be by using the dry pin weights and extrapolating from there (I've already punched in the numbers for the 355RE in this link):
Estimating Tongue/Pin Weight from Dry Weights - Towing Planner

You can adjust the estimated loaded weight in the form to see changes in the pin weight.

Finally, you can get a feel for what your actual usable payload on our Silverado is by either weighing the truck or using the "Tire & Load Capacity" sticker on the doorjamb:
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On edit- to caveat, this just tells you if you're within the ratings of your truck. It's up to you to decide if you're going to adhere to them or exceed them. It doesn't give a lick of indication for how your experience will be (positive or negative) or if it'll fit your expectations or not.
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I tow the equivalent to the Sierra in our Sabre36qbok. Our TV is a 2004 SilveradoHD 8.1l gasser and have been very satisfied with our towing experience. The pin weight of the Sabre is 1850 and Im rated for 2500.
I see that you clarified this later in that the 1850 number is the unloaded pin weight. Your real world pin weight is likely somewhere between 2,200-2,500 pounds depending on how heavy you load. My highest was 2,540 lbs of pin weight with my 36qbok (but, I also know that we a) pack heavy and b) carry some water and c) everyone is different ).
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Not to butt in, but how about a Sandpiper 355RE (11838lbs dry, 15500lbs maxx, advertised pin wt 2015lbs) behind a 2012 Silverado 2500. Max pin 3000lbs, max trailer wt 15700. Even with kitchen sink, we won't load 3662 lbs. Never have water in tanks. Only she and I in the truck now. Had a 28' TT til now. Relieve my mind!
If you're driving a diesel...the engine & tranny will handle the weight and even heavier...it's the suspension/axle components that you are trying to stay somewhere within it's limits as rated for your particular truck build...again, it's all up to you how to read into the numbers and derive what you're comfortable with
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Also remember there is no law that says you have to tow 55-65 mph in the mountains. Semi's don't, so why do you? We've towed in the Appalachians, Ozark & Smokey mountains with a 5.3L and a 3.23 rear end. I just get in the truck lane and can usually stay with or pass the semis.
you and the OP pretty much have the same HP but he will be towing 4-5k lbs more. I had a 2004HD 4x4 CC with the 6.0 and it was a slug in any hill I also did not like 2nd gear and 5000 rpm to make the top, the flats were ok towing..
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