help with tv

[farfetched]

Well, I have made the decision to upgrade the tv to a 3/4 ton. diesel is not an option for me at this time.

Cost for me is a problem so I am trying to go as bare bones as possible. We live in the north so a four wheel drive is a requirement

After looking at tow specs, the Ford f250 seems to have an advantage compared to the GMC 2500 unless you do the 4.10 gears. Because this will be an everyday vehicle at the same time I am concerned about gas mileage.

My questions relate to options and others experience with their tv

[prof_fate]

I would doubt that tow rating or GVWR would differ much between competing brands/models, properly equipped.

GM has a longer powertrain warranty I believe.

Visit a few dealerships and ask questions - the 2014 chevies are due out in a month so the '13s are are being sold off cheap - back in jan we got over 10k off sticker.

Check on option packages - we had an 'all star' package with a discount on the sticker plus more incentives on that particular option package. It included towing package, better gearing, cooling- all the things we needed.

Not sure how you'll compare MPG as once trucks get to a certain class they don't put the epa stickers on them. Our 5.3 chevy gets 15 in daily commuting. I towed a car carrier w/ a car for 100 miles on the hiway and got 14.8, on the way home w/ no car on the trailer got 17.2 mpg. Only have 3100 miles on the truck so it's still breaking in and loosening up.

I've been a ford guy a long time but based on 4 fords from the past decade vs friends with chevies I went straight to chevy and found everything I wanted and then some.

The dealer we bought from was found via the internet and they went to get the truck from another dealer. They were still 5k cheaper over the net than the 2 we'd visited in person for the same truck.

[SaskCampers]

Are you looking at new or used? I picked up our current loaded F250 for 1/2 the list price at 2 years old (had 95,000km) and it has the Ford bumper to bumper Premium Care warranty to 150k so it was like buying new. You will not find anyone who has purchased one of the 6.2 gasser super dutys that is unhappy about their performance. Is it a diesel? No but it does not need to make any excuses either as there are many who have changed from diesel to these 6.2 trucks and love them. I pull about 8500lbs with mine and it has 3.73 gears and you really don't even know it has a load behind it and the 6.2 with 4.30 gears simply runs away from either the Dodge or GM trucks in the hills.

[lowbubba]

I have a 2013 GMC 2500HD it has the 6.0 with 3.73 gears. Extended cab and long bed. For a 3/4 ton, the ride is not too bad. Gas mileage is not its strong suit. Pulling 7.5-9.5 depending on speed and terrain. Empty 12-16. With the 6 speed automatic it pulls very well.

[farfetched]

I have looked at both new and used. Seems that some of the used ones are made of gold with the prices they want. With the rebates and discounts I can get a new one for about the same price as a new used one

[ependydad]

Depending on what you're towing and payload capacity you need - likely the Ford or Chevy is a better option than the Dodge/Ram. The Dodge/Rams always seem to have significantly lower capacity than their counterparts. Not sure why, just kind of what I noticed.

What camper do you have/are looking at? Can we help sway your decision based on payload/GVWR capacities?

[farfetched]

We bought a Rockwood fifth wheel 8282 ws dry weight 7505 pin weight 1128 accoding to the book. After reading the forums, and doing more calculations on weight, I felt the need to upgrade instead of using my F150 Ford f-250 has payload of 3192 and towing of 12400

[farfetched]

I also wanted to ask about the 6.5 foot box vs the 8 foot box. The fifth wheel has the reese revolution so I can go either way

[prof_fate]

Originally Posted by farfetched

I have looked at both new and used. Seems that some of the used ones are made of gold with the prices they want. With the rebates and discounts I can get a new one for about the same price as a new used one

That's becuase the auto industry tanked 3-5 years ago and only made 1/2 the cars they normally do - those would now be the most sought after used cars and they are scarce so sell at a premium.

It may be easier to find a properly equipped used 3/4 ton, but I gave up trying to find a used 1/2 the way we wanted/needed.

My math showed a new truck vs used cost about $500/year more over the time we'll own it. Based on my experiences with used vehicles vs new, I'll have no costs on the new one for 3 years for much of anything, vs used will need brakes, tires, otehr misc things that can easily add to $500 a year. So the 'extra cost' is only really applicable in the second half of 6 to 8 year ownership cycle.

There is always risk - I've had 50/50 luck with used cars - 50% need very little repairs and the other 50% are holes into which I pour money it seems. At least with new I've got a few years of warrant coverage to determine if this will be a good truck or a 'hole' truck that goes when the warranty expires!

I've also just upgraded from 3 'older' vehicles that were taking turns competing for my attention on tires, brakes, check engine lights, fuel pumps, etc. I now have 2 that just go. everytime, all the time. Piece of mind has benefits, and I can budget for a while on what transportation will cost - no ugly surprises!

[TURBS]

Just bought a used 2008 2500hd ex cab sb duramax diesel with 60k miles $29, 000
18-20 mpg no load

Use as a guide to compare if you want.

[Scratch]

Originally Posted by TheSasks

Are you looking at new or used? I picked up our current loaded F250 for 1/2 the list price at 2 years old (had 95,000km) and it has the Ford bumper to bumper Premium Care warranty to 150k so it was like buying new. You will not find anyone who has purchased one of the 6.2 gasser super dutys that is unhappy about their performance. Is it a diesel? No but it does not need to make any excuses either as there are many who have changed from diesel to these 6.2 trucks and love them. I pull about 8500lbs with mine and it has 3.73 gears and you really don't even know it has a load behind it and the 6.2 with 4.30 gears simply runs away from either the Dodge or GM trucks in the hills.

+1 on the Ford 6.2 gasser. Looked everywhere trying to find a 2011 or newer and had no luck. They seem to sell quickly. After lots of diesel research, we wound up going with the F-250 6.7 diesel. 400 hp and 800 lbs of torque sold us. Just my opinion, but the Chevy doesn't seem to have the raw guts the Ford has.

[jeeplj8]

Originally Posted by farfetched

Well, I have made the decision to upgrade the tv to a 3/4 ton. diesel is not an option for me at this time.

Cost for me is a problem so I am trying to go as bare bones as possible. We live in the north so a four wheel drive is a requirement

After looking at tow specs, the Ford f250 seems to have an advantage compared to the GMC 2500 unless you do the 4.10 gears. Because this will be an everyday vehicle at the same time I am concerned about gas mileage.

My questions relate to options and others experience with their tv

It tends to vary greatly depending on what area of the country you are in. Around here (the great midwest) diesel trucks retain their value very well. Pre-DPF diesel trucks often bring 80-90% of their original sales price with 100K on them (that is closer to 70% of sticker since they were all heavily rebated in those days.) they tend to actually sell quicker and bring more than newer trucks with less miles that have DPF.

I know several local dealers were advertising "no-cost" diesel option lately, trying to clear some trucks after the first of the year.

Typically, 2-3 year old gas 3/4 trucks go for about 50-60% original MSRP. Diesel are staying 70-80% MSRP. I can usually find 10-20 gas 3/4 trucks with less than 36K on them on the local market at any time. most are bare bones, if you were looking at the king ranch, it is rare you were going gas. But did just see a 09 or 10 King Ranch 250 with the 5.4 for around 20K.

[SaskCampers]

Originally Posted by jeeplj8

It tends to vary greatly depending on what area of the country you are in. Around here (the great midwest) diesel trucks retain their value very well. Pre-DPF diesel trucks often bring 80-90% of their original sales price with 100K on them (that is closer to 70% of sticker since they were all heavily rebated in those days.) they tend to actually sell quicker and bring more than newer trucks with less miles that have DPF.

I know several local dealers were advertising "no-cost" diesel option lately, trying to clear some trucks after the first of the year.

Typically, 2-3 year old gas 3/4 trucks go for about 50-60% original MSRP. Diesel are staying 70-80% MSRP. I can usually find 10-20 gas 3/4 trucks with less than 36K on them on the local market at any time. most are bare bones, if you were looking at the king ranch, it is rare you were going gas. But did just see a 09 or 10 King Ranch 250 with the 5.4 for around 20K.

Around here diesels go for the difference in price between them and an equalivent gasser so in the end you don't lose the money paid for the diesel option but they are percentage wise no better than a gasser with the same miles and options.

[jamesroadking]

Shop around for a new left over 2012 one. I bought a loaded (A/C & heated leather seats, 3.31:1 electronic locking rear axle etc.) new 2011 F250 Lariat 6.7 diesel after the 2012's were out last February for $42K. 10K off the sticker. She get 20 mpg, towing 11k lbs she getting around 11 mpg, 1500 rpm at 65 mph with 3.31:1 rear axle.

[Cajun Po-Boy]

Originally Posted by farfetched

Well, I have made the decision to upgrade the tv to a 3/4 ton. diesel is not an option for me at this time.

Cost for me is a problem so I am trying to go as bare bones as possible. We live in the north so a four wheel drive is a requirement

After looking at tow specs, the Ford f250 seems to have an advantage compared to the GMC 2500 unless you do the 4.10 gears. Because this will be an everyday vehicle at the same time I am concerned about gas mileage.

My questions relate to options and others experience with their tv

If your concerned about gas mileage and wanting a 3/4 ton gasser, you won't be happy with MPG's...if you go the diesel route then you'll satisfy your mpg requirements.
IMO, definetly look at 2-3 year old trucks for the best price vs new.
Good Luck!