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Old 02-10-2016, 07:39 PM   #41
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We are not set on the Voltage, it was just one we saw a the RV Show in Atlanta. I used it as an example. However neither myself or the DW want a dually. Too much vehicle the few times she will have to drive it. So we will continue to look around and different toy haulers and look for much lighter max weights. The bikes we wish to haul are a Softail and a Dyna. We also have a Sporty that our 9 y/o isn't going to be riding for a while.
I wouldn't worry too much about a dually as a daily driver, I did for years. In fact, my last dually, '13 GMC Denali 4x4 crew, my 16yr old daughter drove it to school quite a bit. She loved driving it and would take it every chance she got. My wife also drove it without any problems. It's all in what you get use to, and a dually is not that much truck. The biggest thing with any truck is length, IMO.
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:42 PM   #42
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The biggest thing with any truck is length, IMO.
your right on that. I've had single wheel crew cab long beds and now a crew cab dually. Length restricts where I park much more often than width does
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:52 PM   #43
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This should help you with the Ford Super Duty truck line...........

2016 Ford Super Duty | View Towing Specifications | Ford.com
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:13 PM   #44
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If. DRW does not scare you it is worth the $1200 by far.
The myth that DRW costs more is nothing more than a myth. I paid 1k less option for option with a DRW over an SRW. Both trucks were identical, the SRW was spec'd with 20's, elocker, and rear fender liners.

Here's my opinion on the subject. I don't care if you love or hate it. Beyond 3k "actual" pin weight, you're in dually territory.

You need to make a decision if you care about truck GVWR or not. The drivetrains really don't vary any between a diesel 250 SRW and 350 DRW. A 250 will with identical drivetrain will pull the same as the dually, the difference is the handling. Lose a rear tire on an SRW at max tire capacity, hang on! If you don't care about truck GVWR, you can use the rear tire capacity as the weight to stay under, most E rated tires come in around 7200 for a pair. Pushing past tire capacity will end in failure and is ignorant.

If you care about GVWR, you're likely to wind up with a dually. Its the only way to deal with 3k plus pin weights and not be over truck GVWR.

Anyone claiming 3500 pounds payload with a F250/F350 Ford SRW is full of ****. With a full tank and 5th wheel hitch, that's an 8200# truck with NO passengers.

I did not own an rv when I bought my truck. I had a different trailer that was under DOT scrutiny. My 5th wheel only has a claimed pin weight of 1500 empty, and I sold the other trailer. Still happy with the decision on the dually either way.


I'm not sure why so many people are ok with getting the biggest, baddest, heaviest, most expensive toyhauler on the market but still want to tow it with the least expensive truck money can buy. Or a lifted brodozer cuz it looks cool.
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Old 02-10-2016, 09:10 PM   #45
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I'm not sure why so many people are ok with getting the biggest, baddest, heaviest, most expensive toyhauler on the market but still want to tow it with the least expensive truck money can buy.
you sir, are the winner
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"I'm not sure why so many people are ok with getting the biggest, baddest, heaviest, most expensive toyhauler on the market but still want to tow it with the least expensive truck money can buy. Or a lifted brodozer cuz it looks cool. "


Probably because the toyhauler has the highest cost compared to a truck. Besides, trucks many are used to trading often.

Been there ~~ bigger was always desired with 2 children and their friends. Today it is just my wife and I plus the dogs so midsize 5er is more than sufficient. Too bad these were not available when the girls were small decades ago, not toy haulers but the bigger 5ers would have been of great interest.
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X96mnn, that's my feelings... I am one of those weight police I guess. My theory buy what you want, I do not really give a hoot. But I want to at least make sure you know exactly what you are getting into when people ask for advice or question what they can haul. I think some get upset and point figures and bash the weight police simply because they know that the weight police are right so they try to confuse and misdirect so they can feel better about themselves and or justify why they are safer than the rest of us or how they can handle something.

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tow what??

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Weight numbers to determine a tow vehicle. I thought I had a basic understanding of this stuff, and the more we look into 5th wheels the more I realize I have no idea what I am doing. LOL Currently we have a 2013 Surveyor Sport SP260 that has fit our family well for the past three years. It is towed with a Ram 1500 5.9L with factory tow package. We know we have to upgrade to a newer TV when we make the jump to a 5th wheel.

Case in point, we looked at a Dutchman Voltage 3605 that has the dry weight of 13,555 and 2,992 hitch (is this also called pin?) weight. With a total max weight of 16,800. I have seen slightly different numbers depending on which site have looked at. I have trolled the Ford, Chevy and Ram site playing around building a truck to pull weight such as these. Again my 5th wheel knowledge is very slim, but I have seen many "large" 5th wheels being pulled by HD 250/2500 non dually trucks. Are all these people thumbing their nose at the Weight Police? Could someone help break this info down to a beginner lever and layman speak?
This issue has been going around from the beginning of time, and to many folks have way to many right and wrong answers, i always just tell folks go to "Trailelife" they post a trailer guide new every year so i have a link for you here (Trailer Towing Guides | Trailer Life Magazine) if it is the wrong year for you just look up the correct year (links in site)

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You will need a 1t to pull that heavy of a FW. Some will say it must be a dually, but I'm not so sure. Go to the correct year Ford Towing Guide online and you should be able to determine if a SRW will work. I don't know about Chevy or Dodge.
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You will need a 1t to pull that heavy of a FW. Some will say it must be a dually, but I'm not so sure. Go to the correct year Ford Towing Guide online and you should be able to determine if a SRW will work. I don't know about Chevy or Dodge.
And going to the 2016 Ford Towing guide, looking for a 5th wheel capacity equal to or greater than 16,800#, you see that only an F350 diesel dually will do it. No Gas, No single rear wheel, nothing less than an F350.
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