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Old 02-09-2016, 09:29 PM   #1
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Help with understanding 5th wheel

Weight numbers to determine a tow vehicle. I thought I had a basic understanding of this stuff, and the more we look into 5th wheels the more I realize I have no idea what I am doing. LOL Currently we have a 2013 Surveyor Sport SP260 that has fit our family well for the past three years. It is towed with a Ram 1500 5.9L with factory tow package. We know we have to upgrade to a newer TV when we make the jump to a 5th wheel.

Case in point, we looked at a Dutchman Voltage 3605 that has the dry weight of 13,555 and 2,992 hitch (is this also called pin?) weight. With a total max weight of 16,800. I have seen slightly different numbers depending on which site have looked at. I have trolled the Ford, Chevy and Ram site playing around building a truck to pull weight such as these. Again my 5th wheel knowledge is very slim, but I have seen many "large" 5th wheels being pulled by HD 250/2500 non dually trucks. Are all these people thumbing their nose at the Weight Police? Could someone help break this info down to a beginner lever and layman speak?
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Old 02-09-2016, 09:49 PM   #2
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I have no advice...but 17,000lbs. is a lot of weight. 3/4 Ram diesel 4dr 4wd only has 2300# of cargo if I am not mistaken...so if it's a Ram prolly need 1T.


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Old 02-09-2016, 09:50 PM   #3
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Help with understanding 5th wheel

Imo you need a dually to pull that unit.
The 2992 hitch "pin" weight will go up as you load the trailer.
Dry weight means nothing "loose" that number.
Base your truck on the 16,800 lbs.

You'll run out of cargo carrying capacity on your truck "pin weight any cargo in bed and passengers " long before your run out of towing capacity.


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Old 02-09-2016, 09:53 PM   #4
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Yeah, 3000lbs( which is code for real world of probably 4000lbs real weight ) is 500 over my 2015 Chevy 2500 duramax's payload of 2500... With no one in the vehicle their stuff or anything in the rv...

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Old 02-09-2016, 10:03 PM   #5
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you'll need 5000 lbs of payload. 4000 for loaded trailer. 1000 for weight of hitch, people and other stuff in truck cab and bed. Dually for sure
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:05 PM   #6
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Go 1 ton. You could do a SRW and just add air bags to assist in leveling if needed. If that was my unit, I'd most likely go with a dually.
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:06 PM   #7
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I think it's even too much for a srw 1 ton.. Prob 3500 to 4000 payload.

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Old 02-09-2016, 10:09 PM   #8
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Payload, payload, payload... Pin weight, 5th wheel hitch, passengers, fuel, cargo...

Guesstimate for above 3360lbs ( pin wt., 20% max weight) + 200lbs ( hitch, min) + 300lbs (passengers, being nice) + 200 lbs (26 gallons diesel, could be more) + 100lbs cargo. These items alone add up to 4160 lbs of payload. No way a 250/2500 series truck can even come close to handling this. You will need a 350/3500 DRW at a min to haul that baby....
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This exact topic recently hashed out this issue with a similar weight trailer in This thread.
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Use this site and play with numbers and you soon see what it takes. This written by a forum member on these forums...

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