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Old 05-08-2015, 04:14 PM   #31
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Which might fall into the same coal pile. Ie., too fast for conditions... possibly because they were unable to stop within a reasonable distance due to overloading? I'm not an insurance adjuster or claims specialist...

I'm not here to participate in a debate or argue a point of common sense.

One of the more horrific I'll link to here that just happen to pop up in a general search, but that's about the extent I care to spend on the topic.

Im right there with you, I wasnt trying to say you were wrong I just wanted some more info. Like I said the answers given were vague and it didnt break the cause down further. I know a too fast for conditions is a catch all ticket and is left to the discretion on the officer. I have seen officers give this ticket or reasoning even when someone was within the posted limit. I am willing to bet you are right, with the way I see some rigs on the road, clearly overloaded and blasting past me when I am in my car doing 75.........
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:12 PM   #32
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We have a 2004 Sierra 1500 that has a towing capacity of 6000#.

However, when we decided to upgrade from a popup to something easier to take camping on short notice, we elected to go with a 183 Shamrock (same as 183 Roo) hybrid:

A: We loved camping in the popup because you unzip all the side curtains and your "right outside".......we camp mostly in forest campgrounds and stay away from loud/obnoxious camps. The 183 is like that.

B: The 183s have 3 fold down bunks (all 72 x 60 inches) so no making the dining room into a bed every night. If one bunk is not being slept in, it becomes the walkin closet for spare clothes, etc.

C: The weight of the 183 (18.3 feet cabin when closed up, and 20.5 feet from rear bumper to hitch ball) with 1000# of "stuff" stuffed in it is still no strain on a vehicle rated to haul 6000#. Verify your vehicles rear suspension can handle 450# of tongue weight. I still put on a 500# rated WD hitch w sway control - that can be had for under $300, and installed a $150 trailer brake controller. These make driving a lot more comfortable. It was time for new shocks on our 2004, so I put in spring assisted HD Monroes for $150. I'd rather the truck not be straining to tow.

D. Find a "great" RV dealer (like P&K here in Eaton Rapids) and get their advice on what your vehicle can "easily" tow (not strain to tow). Check with your mechanic about "the real skinny" when it comes to towing with your vehicle. Just like the old truck driver who sed, "I never lost a load cuz I had it too well tied down" you'll find out that the "tranny never overheated because the trailer was just too light."

There's a TT out there that your family will love and your vehicle can tow without straining. All these folks have given you great ideas to start doing your homework.

Good luck on finding yours.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:47 AM   #33
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Why I won't buy a pop up or a hybrid. Some national parks in bear country won't allow canvas sided RVs.


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Old 05-09-2015, 02:13 PM   #34
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Why I won't buy a pop up or a hybrid. Some national parks in bear country won't allow canvas sided RVs.
Please name these national parks.

I know of ONLY one national park campground that has a permanent ban on soft sided RVs, Fishing Bridge CG in Yellowstone.
All the other major campgrounds there allow them.

I've been camping in popups and hybrid for over 25 years and never found a national or state park campground that refused us, except Fishing Bridge.
That includes Yosemite and Glacier.
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Now we're off subject - lol

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Old 05-09-2015, 03:23 PM   #36
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Ok guys let's get this thread back on track. The OP wants to know how big to go. This will really depend on what his pathfinder is rated for. OP- can you please provide your specs on the pathfinder? Check the inside driver's door for payload capacity (this is before accounting for passengers etc).

Honestly, the best thing to do, is go weigh your pathfinder with a full tank of fuel, all passengers, pets and gear that will be in it when towing. Subtract the total scaled weight from the SUVs gcwr to get your adjusted towing capacity. Subtract the total scaled weight from the suvs gvwr to get your available payload. Your loaded (not dry) trailer weight needs to be less than the towing capacity. Your loaded (not dry) tongue weight needs to be less than the available payload. Remember ideal tongue weight should be 13-15% of the loaded trailer weight.

Honestly, if you are upgrading now due to not enough room, it won't be long til you find you may want an even bigger trailer. My advice is if you can afford it, look for the trailer that fits your family now and then upgrade your pathfinder to a vehicle that can tow that trailer. This is an expensive option but cheaper in the long run..... coming from someone who has started with trying to match a tt to an armada, didn't like the towing experience, upgraded to an f250 that matched the tt beautifully but then wanted a fiver the f250 couldn't handle. So now we have a 3500 and a fiver. Oh and we started this in 2011.
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:22 PM   #37
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So now we have a 3500 and a fiver
The wife and I still like to camp, hear the outside noises, cook outdoors, and sit outdoors most of the time. I come from tent and then popup camping roots.

NO OFFENSE but... IMO... 5th wheeler's seem to like to haul a 3 room house around with them and drive diesel powered pickups to make it happen.

My 183 hybrid has 3 queen fold out beds, a 4th dinette bed in a pinch, room to maneuver inside, a private toilet and sink/shower, a fridge, microwave, stove and a sink to wash dishes and weighs 4600# (3600# dry weight) packed up and ready to go. It is ready to go in about 15 minutes, whether arriving or leaving a camp spot. This is quite luxurious for any former popup camper owner with a family and probably doable with his current TV.
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I wouldn't go over 3000 lbs dry weight.
You'll end up around 4000 lbs loaded for camping, which will be at the limits of your Nissan, when you factor in the air resistance of the trailer's frontal area.
I totally agree with bikendan.
4000# would be the max weight.
We have a Nissan Frontier and we pull a Vibe 6501 that has a dry weight of 2900# with a load capacity of 900# (give or take) I've only taken a test run of about 30 miles but am confident that it can handle the load. I'll know better after we pull it through the Smoky Mountains.
However, the Vibe is only 6 1.2' wide and has a V front end. Thus, less wind resistance than an 8' wide unit.

A couple things to consider; IMHO
Considering my Nissan Frontier, I prefer a single axle unit. The less tires that contact the road, the less resistance it creates when towing. However, a WDH with sway control is a must for a single axle trailer (in my opinion - any trailer that weighs 3000#-4000# should have one). We have an Equalizer Hitch and I love it. Although our hitch is rated for a slightly larger 10K unit (just in case we up-size in the future). An Electric Trailer Brake Controller is also a must.

Prior to the Vibe, we had an R-Pod. (sorry R-Pod lovers) I felt that the Pod Design of the R-Pod caused it to tow like a Log Wagon. It seemed to me that the faster I tried to go, the harder it was to pull. I believe that the air flow over the Pod caused a downward force on the unit thus making it harder to pull at highway speeds. We traveled West thru Nebraska where we experienced a 45 mph head wind and my F-150 with a 4.6 liter V8 couldn't get above 60 mph. Granted, the 4.6 was short on torque.

And last but not least; consider the floor plan. Our Vibe is great for us except that it's awkward to get in & out of the bed. There are units that have a Murphy Bed that folds down over the couch that I might like better. (never had one so I can't speak from experience).

It's a sizable investment so it's good that you are asking questions before you make the plunge. You can take a big $$ hit if you buy something that you don't like and try to sell/trade it in later.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:23 PM   #39
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Ok finally found one I think that will work, just waiting to get approved on it and then go pick it up hopefully. Thank you everyone for your help and input as we had not even considered a hybrid and wow they are pretty dang cool. Settled on a 2007 starcraft travelstar 21sb. It is 21ft long and has a dry weight of 3289 but has a ton of room. Here is a few links to what it is:

2007 Starcraft Travel Star Series M-21SB Standard Equipment, Prices & Specs - NADAguides

2007 Starcraft Travelstar 21Sb In Ventura Santa Barbara Ojai AMV TRADING LLC

Please let me know if you guys think this will be ok. I hope so as it is perfect for us.
Thank you again
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Looks good.
Have the dealer confirm that the 3289 # is from the trailer's white factory weight sticker.
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