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Old 09-26-2016, 06:44 PM   #11
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If you can find a used 3/4 ton suburban you will pick up more payload. They do not make them anymore from what I understand.
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Old 09-28-2016, 05:43 PM   #12
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Have you considered a different tow vehicle. Ford Expedition with heavy duty tow package will pull 9200 pounds and has a higher payload capacity. In addition it has higher mpg (16/21).


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Old 09-29-2016, 03:38 PM   #13
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Have you considered a different tow vehicle. Ford Expedition with heavy duty tow package will pull 9200 pounds and has a higher payload capacity. In addition it has higher mpg (16/21).


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I have never had good experiences with the Ford's I drive at work, so I am somewhat nervous about buying one. However, I have heard good things about the Expedition. What is the payload capacity on yours? How has the reliability been?
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If you are using a WDH, don't forget to add about 75-100 lbs for the weight of the hitch itself. Also, where did you get the cargo capacity figure of 1260 lbs? If it is from the brochure, ignore it. You will need to see what the payload capacity sticker on the actual vehicle is. It will most likely be lower than 1260, possible significantly lower.


I learned something valuable today. After lots of research into whether or not a Hensley (or similar) hitch ADDS to tongue weight or not (Hensley says it doesn't, many others say it does), I decided to buy a Shirline scale and actually measure it. I have a Cherokee 23BD with a stated dry tongue weight of 488lbs. My TV has a max tongue weight rating of 550lbs, and the Hensley Cub weighs about 185lbs so I knew I had to find out for sure. First I put the scale under the trailers foot, and measured 760lbs! But that includes propane, battery, and a loaded TT. And also the foot is about a foot behind the ball coupler. So next I put the scale under the Hensley "stinger" at the point where it connects to the TV receiver, to measure the actual weight exerted on the receiver itself. To my surprise, it was 480lbs with the trailer lifted off the foot completely! So it actually LOWERED the effective tongue weight from dry, despite the TT being loaded! I repeated these measurements a few times because I didn't believe it, but same result each time. Once I thought about it, it made total sense. The Hensley itself adds about 12" in distance between the receiver and the ball coupler, in fact with the stinger included it's probably more like 24". This extra leverage creates a mechanical advantage, reducing the amount of force it takes to "lift" the TT. Like putting longer handles on a wheelbarrow, even if those handles are heavy themselves. So by measuring I proved to myself that the Hensley (and similar designs) does in fact negate its own weight, and then some. Hope this is useful to anyone that's wondered the same thing, and if I'm missing something important please let me know! Thanks!
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I learned something valuable today. After lots of research into whether or not a Hensley (or similar) hitch ADDS to tongue weight or not (Hensley says it doesn't, many others say it does), I decided to buy a Shirline scale and actually measure it..... To my surprise, it was 480lbs with the trailer lifted off the foot completely! So it actually LOWERED the effective tongue weight from dry, despite the TT being loaded! .... So by measuring I proved to myself that the Hensley (and similar designs) does in fact negate its own weight, and then some. Hope this is useful to anyone that's wondered the same thing, and if I'm missing something important please let me know! Thanks!
Very interesting. I've been debating getting a scale myself to make this measurement, now I may just rely on a full rig CAT scale weighing.
I'm pretty sure this is going to generate a boat load of debate, so I'm making some popcorn...

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One other bit of info related to this. I've been looking for a powered dolly to help park my trailer at home. The Power Movers people (Power Movers | MOVING MADE EASY) state " Moreover, since our dollies generally attach further underneath most trailers, more weight is put onto them, giving you even more critical traction."

So what you are saying has some credence. Moving the "lift point" closer to the TT axles increases the effective weight. So it makes sense that moving it farther away lowers it. This is the same principle used in the get your tongue weight with a bathroom scale.
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