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Old 05-30-2013, 05:06 PM   #11
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The load I want to carry on my truck plus the hitch (100lbs), plus the batteries(100lbs) plus propane (100lbs) is a total of 6650 which leaves only 550 lbs left. That's 12% of a TT that weighs 4583. That certainly doesn't add up to the stats given by Chevrolet that their Max Trailering Package can tow 10,400 lbs. My last camper was a 19' that weighed about 4583. I am not a happy camper.

So Dave, et, all.

I don't want to be driving something unsafe. I might be able to work with the dealer on another contract. I've only paid a $500 deposit. I really like the 2703ws floor plan but...

Is that what you all recommend? The 2703ws @ 7621 GVWR plus the tongue weight with batteris, propane and my loaded truck is too much?
Welcome to vehicle manufature bs ratings!

Btw its gm ford and dodge all doing this.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:25 PM   #12
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I know how you feel with all this. I have a Toyota tundra with the same gvwr of 7200 lbs. almost all half tons are rated to that exactly. With my toy hauler weighing in at almost 7000 and all my camping stuff which I don't put much in the truck. With me the wife and misc other things I am right at my trucks gvwr. But I am about 200 lbs under my rawr. It's a tough subject but I'm not gonna get a 3/4 I don't like them for a daily driver. And I don't want a diesel. And in sure with you having the 6.2 it pulls great just like my 5.7 does. I love my truck it pulls great although I'm right at gvwr if not over sometimes, I feel very safe pulling my hauler.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:30 PM   #13
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The load I want to carry on my truck plus the hitch (100lbs), plus the batteries(100lbs) plus propane (100lbs) is a total of 6650 which leaves only 550 lbs left. That's 12% of a TT that weighs 4583. That certainly doesn't add up to the stats given by Chevrolet that their Max Trailering Package can tow 10,400 lbs. My last camper was a 19' that weighed about 4583. I am not a happy camper.

So Dave, et, all.

I don't want to be driving something unsafe. I might be able to work with the dealer on another contract. I've only paid a $500 deposit. I really like the 2703ws floor plan but...

Is that what you all recommend? The 2703ws @ 7621 GVWR plus the tongue weight with batteris, propane and my loaded truck is too much?
What you can PULL is MUCH different than what you can CARRY.

GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is what you can PULL; it ignores what you can carry on your back.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:48 PM   #14
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What you can PULL is MUCH different than what you can CARRY.

GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is what you can PULL; it ignores what you can carry on your back.
I concur!
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Hold on a minute

I'm still working on all this. But my owners manual on the truck says that GCWR means, "...the total allowable weight of the completely loaded vehicle and trailer."

So...If my vehicle plus me, the dog, stuff and a full tank of gas is 5740 and I add my 600 lb four wheeler in the back and put on a 100# hitch, that totals 6440. To that, I have to add the tongue weight which is 621 plus a couple hundred pounds for propane and batteries or 821# for a total "load" on the truck at 7261# or 61# over the trucks GVWR. The trailer GVWR is 7621#, includes water and miscellaneous stuff. The total combined vehicle weight rating is then 14,882# or 1118# below the max of 16,000#.

Considering I probably won't have 1438 pounds of cargo in the TT (there's just me and the dog): It goes back to the original question of how critical is the GVWR of the tow vehicle? With the Equalizer hitch, is it really going to be over the 7200? or will the rear axle rating of 4200 place more weight on the TT when the Equalizer hitch is hooked up?

I appreciate all the help but I have a big decision to make. Do I keep the 2703ws or try to get a different one?
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There are many ratings on a vehicle. You should comply with ALL of them, not just the easiest one to meet. Don't even look at GCWR. It's the easiest one to meet for towing an RV.
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So, let me get this straight. You have a 7200 pound GVWR 1/2ton, that weighs 5800 pounds empty. You are carrying a 600 pound 4 wheeler in the bed and with yourself, gear, gas, hitch, and dog weighs in at about 6600 pounds.

That leaves 600 pounds for tongue load.
600/0.12 = a 5,000 pound max weight camper.

Overloaded?
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I know. The vehicle has a "Max Trailering Pkg" (extra $3500) that claims a 10400# towing capacity or 16000# combined vehicle and trailer rating but they don't tell the average guy about adding up tongue weight, propane bottles, batteries and all the other things and how it all affects your GVWR....

Live and learn. The thing now is to see if I can get the dealer to work with me on something that's realistic.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:45 PM   #19
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The TT sticker

2 adults, 2 small dogs, generator in truck bed, lawn chairs in truck bed, mostly full fresh water, firewood, caonoe and rack, tools, axe, etc.
Packed very lightly ready for travel to places unknown - about 1000 pounds under gross weight and about 200 pounds under truck max weight.
It drives and handles well.
I would not add another 1000 lbs to the setup and think that I had the tiger by the tail!
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I know. The vehicle has a "Max Trailering Pkg" (extra $3500) that claims a 10400# towing capacity or 16000# combined vehicle and trailer rating but they don't tell the average guy about adding up tongue weight, propane bottles, batteries and all the other things and how it all affects your GVWR....

Live and learn. The thing now is to see if I can get the dealer to work with me on something that's realistic.
When I did the math for my father-in-law's 4runner, he could only tow the advertised 7,000 pounds of trailer *if* he weighed 150 pounds *and* there was NOTHING ELSE IN THE SUV WITH HIM at 12.5% tongue weight.

The advertisements of towing capacity are technically true but horrifically misleading. They're only true if you have a 150 pound driver and nothing else in the truck- no fat driver, no dog, no gear, etc.

It's not the advertisements about the travel trailer (propane, batteries, etc.) that are the problem in this case- it's all about the truck. And, like Turbo said- it's all the manufacturers. They take the simplest math and "best case scenario" and advertise that.

Now, the TT is guilty in advertising a mythical "dry weight" that is unattainable. Heck, my camper weighed more than its yellow sticker the day I picked it up at the dealer because I had them add slide awnings and vent covers.
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