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Old 09-30-2011, 08:16 AM   #11
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I was wondering where the actual weight of the WDH itself adds in?
My Reece set-up weighs about 70lbs.
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:19 AM   #12
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I was wondering where the actual weight of the WDH itself adds in?
My Reece set-up weighs about 70lbs.
Without being connected, the entire weight is on the truck.

However, just like every other pound of truck and camper, with a WD hitch in use, it is "shared" amongst the combination based on the tension in the WD hitch. Most is on the truck through.
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:59 AM   #13
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The tongue weight does not change however.
True.
In order to re-distribute the weight, the weight has to be there in the first place.
Many TT dealers try and 'up-sell' by saying that the WDH will take the weight off the hitch completely and make it somehow, magically disappear.
Now, you have room to tow something even BIGGER.

( I wonder where they keep their magic wands......??)
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True.
In order to re-distribute the weight, the weight has to be there in the first place.
Many TT dealers try and 'up-sell' by saying that the WDH will take the weight off the hitch completely and make it somehow, magically disappear.
Now, you have room to tow something even BIGGER.

( I wonder where they keep their magic wands......??)
They keep it right next to the "Pixie Dust" they sprinkle on your wallet to make twenties disappear when you walk by the service department.
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Old 10-01-2011, 12:43 AM   #15
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Many folks overload their trucks routinely and never have a problem. They either trade trucks often or wreck them in traffic or a dozen other reasons for giving an over worked truck to someone else.
I agree Herk though overloading of the tow vehicle is not unique to 1/2 T's...lots of overloaded 3/4 T's, particularly towing 5th wheels.

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I agree Herk though overloading of the tow vehicle is not unique to 1/2 T's...lots of overloaded 3/4 T's, particularly towing 5th wheels.

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Dave, not to hijack the thread, but you are quite correct. I actually have seen more overloaded 2500 series trucks than 1500 series trucks in my travels. Anyone towing a 15,000 pound camper on their 2500 is seriously overloaded. 20% pin weight on a 15,000 pound camper is 3000 pound pin.
Not many have that payload available after mom and the kids and hitch are added.

With all the "must have" junk I carry around in the truck bed of my Sierra 2500HD Duramax diesel with Allison Transmission (max tow "rating" 15,300 pounds), my truck's GVWR (9200 pounds) is maxed out with my 9100 pound Flagstaff 5th wheel on it's back.
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So I finally had some time to read a bunch of the info you all provided. Thanks again for your very thoughtful and informative responses!!

It appears that the answer to my original question is the WD hitch could provide an opportunity to move approx 6% (60 lbs) of trailer tongue weight (1,000 lbs) to the truck front axle and another 20% (200 lbs) to the trailer axles.

So the good news is that instead of being approx 100 lbs overweight on my rear axle (per my second post), I could possibly end up below my rear GAWR by approx 160 lbs. But the bad news is that I'll still be over my TV's GVWR by approx 400 lbs (instead of 600 lbs).

Am I on the right track here?

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So I finally had some time to read a bunch of the info you all provided. Thanks again for your very thoughtful and informative responses!!

It appears that the answer to my original question is the WD hitch could provide an opportunity to move approx 6% (60 lbs) of trailer tongue weight (1,000 lbs) to the truck front axle and another 20% (200 lbs) to the trailer axles.

So the good news is that instead of being approx 100 lbs overweight on my rear axle (per my second post), I could possibly end up below my rear GAWR by approx 160 lbs. But the bad news is that I'll still be over my TV's GVWR by approx 400 lbs (instead of 600 lbs).

Am I on the right track here?

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Again I have to emphasize that the amount of tension on the bars determines the actual amount of weight distributed. There is NO way anyone can make a statement like that without weighing the rig twice for each tension setting tried. Once without the bars under tension and then again for each tension step (on the Equalizer type hitch) or chain link (on the types that use chain).

Theoretically, (though not possible in reality) enough tension applied to the distribution bars could actually transfer all the rear axle weight to the front and camper axles, effectively letting you remove the rear wheels all together. Your WD system would have to be capable of handling the rear axle load of thousands of pounds; not hundreds; but the principle is the same.
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Andy (Jeep4Two)'s post link has an excellent explanation of how this all works.

I quote from the summation at the bottom:
"It is interesting to note that TT weight and “tongue weight” do not enter into these calculations. The WD hitch does not distribute “tongue weight”. It simply removes load from the TV’s rear axle and distributes it to the TV’s front axle and the TT’s axles."

The amount of load that can be "distributed" and where it goes is determined by the WD hitch capacity and the distance between the hitch head and the truck front and camper rear axles.
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Thanks Herk for sticking with me here and setting me straight. I went back to the link in Andy's post (thanks again Andy) and see that I have more homework to do.

In the meantime, I took my TV - with full gas tank, passengers, Equalizer hitch in the receiver and typical camping cargo in the bed - to the CAT scale in order to know exactly what I'm working with. The weights are: Front Axle 3,520; Rear Axle 3,020; Gross Weight 6,540.

At this point I'm comfortable that with the new trailer (loaded 8,300; tongue 1,000) and a properly set up WD hitch moving some weight off the TV to the TT, I should be ok with axle weights (GAWR 3,900 front and rear) and combined weight (GCWR 15,500). The only problem area I see is the TV weight.

With WD disconnected the GVW (TV + tongue weight) will be 7,540 lbs. With WD connected it will be something less than 7,540, but still greater than the TV's GVWR of 6,800 lbs.

Does any of this make sense?
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