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Old 07-01-2016, 11:13 PM   #141
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I surrender you Diesel guys win! I am coming!!!

My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush.


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Old 07-01-2016, 11:24 PM   #142
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My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush]
Very nice!!!. Gives me the new truck itch. I just can't seem to wear out my '07. What a dilemma 😃. Enjoy!!
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Comparing stopping distance, acceleration distance, body roll, blah blah blah between 1 ton and 1/2 ton trucks is like comparing apples to watermelons is it not?? A years salary?? Come on, seems like you're doing the most convincing to yourself


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Comparing stopping distance, acceleration distance, body roll, blah blah blah between 1 ton and 1/2 ton trucks is like comparing apples to watermelons is it not?? A years salary?? Come on, seems like you're doing the most convincing to yourself


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Old 07-02-2016, 07:56 AM   #145
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Hard numbers don't lie, vehicles are tested acceleration, handling, braking distances, etc. You may think your 3500 stops better or handles better or even accelerates faster but it doesn't. Maybe 15 feet extra time to stop is no big deal... until you put that 8000 pound rig 15 feet into the trunk of the sedan with 2 kids in the back seat. You will surely walk away but will those kids? But you are right, they do tow better.
Hmmm seems like baiting for a response.. Owned 5 F 150s, 1 Dodge Dakota, now a F 250. Never in my life I have been in a situation where I could't stop and the Diesel beats the last EcoBoost for acceleration.
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Dog you are correct. I drive them all and preferred Ford. I too prefer the bells and whistles as I spend a lot of time in it. Area of the country makes a difference at trade or resale time and Ram doesn't work in that area here as well as the other 2. Actually a 3/4 does better than a 1 ton here the opposite of where my daughter lives. I still trade about every 2 years just before 100k miles.
Why the airbags? How heavy is your pin? I use about 2/3 of payload and hardly drop at all.
Capt- Valid point on different ares for a trade. Where I live GM has done the community a large disservice closing 3 well respected old family dealers. People just being more Fords F150, F 250, F 350 and Dodge 1500 is second with the contractor community. I am also have 2/3 of the capacity used up and no sag, maybe the Camper Pkg helps with the stiffer springs and overloads.
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My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush.


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As far as my opinion -vs- facts, what I claim to be a fact is almost always the 1500 version of a truck stops shorter, accelerates, faster, and handles better unloaded then the 2500 or 3500 versions. There are plenty of road test comparison reviews of trucks where they hook up instruments to the trucks that accurately measure such things, and then run them head to head, on the same day, same conditions, and same road. My brother just bought a 2015 f150 3.5 ecoboost for example. That truck is a beast in all catagories, 1/4 mile, 60-0 braking, etc. MT got 15.0 sec @ 92.5 mph, and 126 ft 60-0. The 2015 3500 silverado in the same test did 16.1 sec @ 84.2 mph, and 146 ft 60-0. This was just this year's test, go back and you see the same thing over and over, without the trailer the 1500s put up better numbers.
The "Fact" you posted above states the obvious.

Of course a stock F150 Eco will be faster in the 1/4 mile and will stop shorter than a 1 ton 3500!

Think about it....the F150 weighs just over 5000 lbs and the 1 ton weighs just under 9000 lbs.

Throw 4000 lbs in the back of the F150 Eco and run the test again. The numbers will change drastically and In the end you've got a "slug" with your foot going through the floor trying to stop it!

Your "Fact" is a poor comparison and does not fit in the same category!
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My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush.


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When I test drove all the Big 3 before buying my Ram 3500, I had to admit that the GMC had the best ride.

I still love my truck!
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This is the ad hominem response I was referring to. I quoted the whole thing, no where is he disputing a claim I made just making a personal attack. Now go read the definition of ad hominem. This, and only this was what I was referring to as being an ass. If this kind of stuff is acceptable on here that's fine, suit up because after 11 years in the Navy I'm sure I can dish it out with the best of them.

The whole point of me posting in this thread was to give my personal experience with 2500, and 3500 trucks both gas and diesel. Something I wish somebody would have pointed out to me before I also surrendered, you diesel guys won, and I came over. Luckily it wasn't a big deal, live and learn. I could see if I had spent a year's salary, or a college education for my kids on a new truck, like some have done. I might be a little more likely to convince myself it really did do ok day to day. Instead I had a 3rd car so the pretty diesel sat there, month after month, and then gloriously came to life 4-5 times a year for a run down to Yellowstone. If you are overloaded then by all means you need a bigger truck or a smaller camper, and you may need to live with what you got day to day. That wasn't the case here with the OP. Maybe money is no object, then again, get a big truck. I personally wouldn't stop at a 3500, I would get an International Terrastar 4x4 or MTX. These are all just my opinions, and based on sales numbers I would say I'm not alone in these opinions.

As far as my opinion -vs- facts, what I claim to be a fact is almost always the 1500 version of a truck stops shorter, accelerates, faster, and handles better unloaded then the 2500 or 3500 versions. There are plenty of road test comparison reviews of trucks where they hook up instruments to the trucks that accurately measure such things, and then run them head to head, on the same day, same conditions, and same road. My brother just bought a 2015 f150 3.5 ecoboost for example. That truck is a beast in all catagories, 1/4 mile, 60-0 braking, etc. MT got 15.0 sec @ 92.5 mph, and 126 ft 60-0. The 2015 3500 silverado in the same test did 16.1 sec @ 84.2 mph, and 146 ft 60-0. This was just this year's test, go back and you see the same thing over and over, without the trailer the 1500s put up better numbers.

No hard feelings with anyone here, just want to give my experiences like everyone else seems to be allowed to do. Actually I kind of like the ad hominem attacks. They always let me know when I hit the mark. If you can't argue substance, attack the man!
I never have any hard feelings. None here at all. This is just an important discussion.

I believe your skin is too thin. He was joking, and some folks don't like to engage in, or read about, controversy. It doesn't bother me. I learn a lot and am often wrong.......even when I think I'm right.

The 'facts' that you quoted about acceleration and stopping power is what I take umbrage with. Yes, IF (big IF) the 1/2 has brakes approaching the size of HD trucks (and some are indeed coming with bigger brakes than previously, but some are not) then of course they'll stop the lighter weight faster. But most HD trucks have bigger brakes than 1/2 tons and will stop sooner. My HD will stop way faster than my 1/2 ton.........so I just wanted to let folks know your 'facts' are relative and there are cases where it's true and cases where it's not. You can Google this......I did and found many cases backing my point.

Acceleration is the same way. My 2500 would blow the doors off my puny 1/2 ton. My daughter has a 1/2 ton and even my 3500 will blow hers away.......since hers is a SIX Cylinder! So again, you can't make blanket statements like you did and call them 'factual'.........they're not. They're sometimes factual in certain cases, and sometimes not in other cases.

Sir, I'm sure we'd sit around a campfire and get along.......but probably argue some. This is an important topic and many 'newbies' (of which I'm one in many areas) are reading such things intently.

To those that 'sigh' at lengthy discussions of important topics and want all controversy hushed, I'd suggest going to read other milder topics. This one will always raise a bit of 'tone'.......since people always want to justify what they own, or what they just bought.

That's my nine cents on this.

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