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07-01-2016, 10:13 PM
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#141
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I surrender you Diesel guys win! I am coming!!!
My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush.
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07-01-2016, 10:24 PM
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#142
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Location: Southern NM
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Originally Posted by DocGTO
My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush]
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Very nice!!!. Gives me the new truck itch. I just can't seem to wear out my '07. What a dilemma 😃. Enjoy!!
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07-02-2016, 12:16 AM
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#143
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Comparing stopping distance, acceleration distance, body roll, blah blah blah between 1 ton and 1/2 ton trucks is like comparing apples to watermelons is it not?? A years salary?? Come on, seems like you're doing the most convincing to yourself
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07-02-2016, 12:27 AM
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#144
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Originally Posted by jerky
Comparing stopping distance, acceleration distance, body roll, blah blah blah between 1 ton and 1/2 ton trucks is like comparing apples to watermelons is it not?? A years salary?? Come on, seems like you're doing the most convincing to yourself
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Convincing himself his wife is 100% correct in all he is permitted to purchase?
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07-02-2016, 06:56 AM
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#145
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Originally Posted by Hersbird
Hard numbers don't lie, vehicles are tested acceleration, handling, braking distances, etc. You may think your 3500 stops better or handles better or even accelerates faster but it doesn't. Maybe 15 feet extra time to stop is no big deal... until you put that 8000 pound rig 15 feet into the trunk of the sedan with 2 kids in the back seat. You will surely walk away but will those kids? But you are right, they do tow better.
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Hmmm seems like baiting for a response.. Owned 5 F 150s, 1 Dodge Dakota, now a F 250. Never in my life I have been in a situation where I could't stop and the Diesel beats the last EcoBoost for acceleration.
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07-02-2016, 07:06 AM
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#146
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Originally Posted by CaptnJohn
Dog you are correct. I drive them all and preferred Ford. I too prefer the bells and whistles as I spend a lot of time in it. Area of the country makes a difference at trade or resale time and Ram doesn't work in that area here as well as the other 2. Actually a 3/4 does better than a 1 ton here the opposite of where my daughter lives. I still trade about every 2 years just before 100k miles.
Why the airbags? How heavy is your pin? I use about 2/3 of payload and hardly drop at all.
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Capt- Valid point on different ares for a trade. Where I live GM has done the community a large disservice closing 3 well respected old family dealers. People just being more Fords F150, F 250, F 350 and Dodge 1500 is second with the contractor community. I am also have 2/3 of the capacity used up and no sag, maybe the Camper Pkg helps with the stiffer springs and overloads.
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07-02-2016, 07:08 AM
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#147
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocGTO
My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush.
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Nice Ride, my neighbours has one but all brown for towing his car trailers. High end tricked out D-Max are a very close second for me.
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07-02-2016, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hersbird
As far as my opinion -vs- facts, what I claim to be a fact is almost always the 1500 version of a truck stops shorter, accelerates, faster, and handles better unloaded then the 2500 or 3500 versions. There are plenty of road test comparison reviews of trucks where they hook up instruments to the trucks that accurately measure such things, and then run them head to head, on the same day, same conditions, and same road. My brother just bought a 2015 f150 3.5 ecoboost for example. That truck is a beast in all catagories, 1/4 mile, 60-0 braking, etc. MT got 15.0 sec @ 92.5 mph, and 126 ft 60-0. The 2015 3500 silverado in the same test did 16.1 sec @ 84.2 mph, and 146 ft 60-0. This was just this year's test, go back and you see the same thing over and over, without the trailer the 1500s put up better numbers.
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The "Fact" you posted above states the obvious.
Of course a stock F150 Eco will be faster in the 1/4 mile and will stop shorter than a 1 ton 3500!
Think about it....the F150 weighs just over 5000 lbs and the 1 ton weighs just under 9000 lbs.
Throw 4000 lbs in the back of the F150 Eco and run the test again. The numbers will change drastically and In the end you've got a "slug" with your foot going through the floor trying to stop it!
Your "Fact" is a poor comparison and does not fit in the same category!
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07-02-2016, 08:16 AM
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#149
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Join Date: Oct 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocGTO
My daily. Love it and it rides better then my 2014 3/4 ton. The new GMCs are Cush.
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I like the color!
When I test drove all the Big 3 before buying my Ram 3500, I had to admit that the GMC had the best ride.
I still love my truck!
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07-02-2016, 08:22 AM
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#150
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Originally Posted by Hersbird
This is the ad hominem response I was referring to. I quoted the whole thing, no where is he disputing a claim I made just making a personal attack. Now go read the definition of ad hominem. This, and only this was what I was referring to as being an ass. If this kind of stuff is acceptable on here that's fine, suit up because after 11 years in the Navy I'm sure I can dish it out with the best of them.
The whole point of me posting in this thread was to give my personal experience with 2500, and 3500 trucks both gas and diesel. Something I wish somebody would have pointed out to me before I also surrendered, you diesel guys won, and I came over. Luckily it wasn't a big deal, live and learn. I could see if I had spent a year's salary, or a college education for my kids on a new truck, like some have done. I might be a little more likely to convince myself it really did do ok day to day. Instead I had a 3rd car so the pretty diesel sat there, month after month, and then gloriously came to life 4-5 times a year for a run down to Yellowstone. If you are overloaded then by all means you need a bigger truck or a smaller camper, and you may need to live with what you got day to day. That wasn't the case here with the OP. Maybe money is no object, then again, get a big truck. I personally wouldn't stop at a 3500, I would get an International Terrastar 4x4 or MTX. These are all just my opinions, and based on sales numbers I would say I'm not alone in these opinions.
As far as my opinion -vs- facts, what I claim to be a fact is almost always the 1500 version of a truck stops shorter, accelerates, faster, and handles better unloaded then the 2500 or 3500 versions. There are plenty of road test comparison reviews of trucks where they hook up instruments to the trucks that accurately measure such things, and then run them head to head, on the same day, same conditions, and same road. My brother just bought a 2015 f150 3.5 ecoboost for example. That truck is a beast in all catagories, 1/4 mile, 60-0 braking, etc. MT got 15.0 sec @ 92.5 mph, and 126 ft 60-0. The 2015 3500 silverado in the same test did 16.1 sec @ 84.2 mph, and 146 ft 60-0. This was just this year's test, go back and you see the same thing over and over, without the trailer the 1500s put up better numbers.
No hard feelings with anyone here, just want to give my experiences like everyone else seems to be allowed to do. Actually I kind of like the ad hominem attacks. They always let me know when I hit the mark. If you can't argue substance, attack the man!
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I never have any hard feelings. None here at all. This is just an important discussion.
I believe your skin is too thin. He was joking, and some folks don't like to engage in, or read about, controversy. It doesn't bother me. I learn a lot and am often wrong.......even when I think I'm right.
The 'facts' that you quoted about acceleration and stopping power is what I take umbrage with. Yes, IF (big IF) the 1/2 has brakes approaching the size of HD trucks (and some are indeed coming with bigger brakes than previously, but some are not) then of course they'll stop the lighter weight faster. But most HD trucks have bigger brakes than 1/2 tons and will stop sooner. My HD will stop way faster than my 1/2 ton.........so I just wanted to let folks know your 'facts' are relative and there are cases where it's true and cases where it's not. You can Google this......I did and found many cases backing my point.
Acceleration is the same way. My 2500 would blow the doors off my puny 1/2 ton. My daughter has a 1/2 ton and even my 3500 will blow hers away.......since hers is a SIX Cylinder! So again, you can't make blanket statements like you did and call them 'factual'.........they're not. They're sometimes factual in certain cases, and sometimes not in other cases.
Sir, I'm sure we'd sit around a campfire and get along.......but probably argue some. This is an important topic and many 'newbies' (of which I'm one in many areas) are reading such things intently.
To those that 'sigh' at lengthy discussions of important topics and want all controversy hushed, I'd suggest going to read other milder topics. This one will always raise a bit of 'tone'.......since people always want to justify what they own, or what they just bought.
That's my nine cents on this.
Thanks.
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07-02-2016, 10:48 AM
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I also love how now of course my facts are right.
Any top motor 1500 from the the big 3 same year, will be quicker and stop faster then any 2500 or 3500 from the same year. Hemi is faster then Cummins, 3.5 turbo or 5.0 is faster then powerstroke, and 5.3 or 6.2 is faster then Duramax unloaded. Towing again a different story, but all along I have been talking about living with the truck in my case what amounted to 90% of the time.
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07-02-2016, 11:27 AM
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#152
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Originally Posted by Hersbird
I also love how now of course my facts are right.
Any top motor 1500 from the the big 3 same year, will be quicker and stop faster then any 2500 or 3500 from the same year. Hemi is faster then Cummins, 3.5 turbo or 5.0 is faster then powerstroke, and 5.3 or 6.2 is faster then Duramax unloaded. Towing again a different story, but all along I have been talking about living with the truck in my case what amounted to 90% of the time.
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Is this factual or what you believe to be right? I've never actually tried it but it feels to me like my powerstroke is faster than any gas 1/2 ton I've driven, again what it feels like to me. I don't know if you've drive a diesel pickup, I would think you have since you're weighing in on this but they are very quick and stop very well
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07-02-2016, 11:54 AM
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#153
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Originally Posted by Dogpatch
I like the color!
When I test drove all the Big 3 before buying my Ram 3500, I had to admit that the GMC had the best ride.
I still love my truck!
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Isn't that all the matters in the end? You love what you have...until the new truck catches your eye and you buy new.
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07-02-2016, 12:00 PM
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Just curious diesel contingent...here's my numbers from Detroit, MI to Pomona, CA. How do you guys do mpg wise on the same type of trip. I was getting 8.6 mpg until I hit the Rockies.
Your comments won't change my mind either way. I'm still getting the diesel big boy. I want the security of knowing the truck can comfortably handle whatever grade is thrown at it. My family's safety and my nerves deserve it! I'll likely get a grand more in payload moving up to the 350-3500 too. I'm at 2,761 now with the 250 gasser and I'm 700 short of max per my last weighing at the start of this trip.
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07-02-2016, 12:22 PM
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#155
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Originally Posted by jerky
Is this factual or what you believe to be right? I've never actually tried it but it feels to me like my powerstroke is faster than any gas 1/2 ton I've driven, again what it feels like to me. I don't know if you've drive a diesel pickup, I would think you have since you're weighing in on this but they are very quick and stop very well
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You don't have to feel anything. People hook them up to very accurate machines that measure such things to the 1000th of a second all the time for testing. What you feel is torque which is important but the limited rpm ability means the truck has to shift into the next gear sooner loosing the huge torque multiplication factor of 1st 2nd, and 3rd gears sooner then a high revving gas motor. This is where horsepower comes into play. Horsepower is a measure of work being done over time while torque is just how hard something pushes against a lever. I can apply 100 ft pounds of torque to a bolt but if it doesn't move then I'm making 0 horsepower and no work is actually being accomplished. So the OP's original concern was not that his truck couldn't tow his camper, just that he didn't like running the RPMS. Just like a 2500 or 3500 stops and handles adequately so does the said 1500 adequately tow that camper, it's just a different design.
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07-02-2016, 01:50 PM
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#156
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Originally Posted by jheacox1
Just curious diesel contingent...here's my numbers from Detroit, MI to Pomona, CA. How do you guys do mpg wise on the same type of trip. I was getting 8.6 mpg until I hit the Rockies.
Your comments won't change my mind either way. I'm still getting the diesel big boy. I want the security of knowing the truck can comfortably handle whatever grade is thrown at it. My family's safety and my nerves deserve it! I'll likely get a grand more in payload moving up to the 350-3500 too. I'm at 2,761 now with the 250 gasser and I'm 700 short of max per my last weighing at the start of this trip.
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The diesel motor extra battery and heavy duty alternator will cut some of your expected increase. Most loaded 3500 payload will be 3400 to 3500. All the stuff like heated/ cooked seats, moon roof, nav system all weigh against you.
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07-02-2016, 04:39 PM
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#157
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Ok this thread has more than run its course. Time to put it to bed.
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