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Old 05-12-2015, 11:42 AM   #21
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I had the Tuson brake controller (the one that plugs into the OBD port to get it's information; Not inertial control) in my 2005 RAM 2500. It worked well, but I had nothing to compare it to. My 2015 GMC 3500 has the integrated brake controller. I notice very little difference between the two. The Tuson has more settings so you could set it up to move between vehicles and different trailers. If anything, I would give the nod to the Tuson over the integrated controller just because it was so customizable. I'm satisfied with the integrated one and will be selling the Tuson sometime soon since I no longer have a need for it. If you don't have an integrated controller and have a compatible vehicle the Tuson is the way to go.

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Old 05-12-2015, 11:55 AM   #22
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I would use the internal Brake controller as its tied in with internal Sway control.

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Old 05-12-2015, 12:41 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by Mountndream View Post
I would use the internal Brake controller as its tied in with internal Sway control.
If in fact you have "sway control"

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Old 05-12-2015, 01:15 PM   #24
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Most (all?) of these integrated systems use the stability control yaw sensors to detect the butt getting squirrelly. If the system does not detect a connected trailer, it will work as normal to control stability. If a trailer is detected, the system may employ a "sway control" type of algorithm, which may include applying some trailer braking. This is the sort of thing an aftermarket controller can never do, having only 1 sensor in 1 location.

As far as the braking "force" at rest? When at rest, none of the vehicles motion sensors will be detecting any motion. So of course, the only way to increase voltage is to respond to brakeline pressure (not pedal force). Aftermarket controllers simply apply 25% (50%? I can't remember) of set voltage if no motion is detected after 2-3 seconds, if the brakes are held. But having variable voltage, based on pressure is great.

But some are saying that these integrated controllers are not inertia-based. That's very limited thinking. The integrated controllers are certainly taking data from the stability control sensors, which are inertia-based accelerometers. It's also pressure data, speed data, wheel-speed sensor data etc. To say it's not inertia-based is not correct. I'm sure it's using everything that the ABS/TC/SC systems have to offer.
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Old 05-12-2015, 02:51 PM   #25
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Brakeman nobody said they did not use other sensors, I only said the main factor under normal conditions is brake pressure. If you want to split hairs with brake force on the pedal and brake line pressure that is up to you.

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Old 05-12-2015, 03:06 PM   #26
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I have the integrated one on my ford and it works great. I like it will keep mileage on each vehicle that I tow. I have all mileage for tires and total mileage on each one that i tow. I have the Cardinal, race car trailer , a 20 foot flat bed and a goose neck for work.
X2 plus the engine braking works great. I hardly ever have to use the brakes when I am pulling down a hill. I recently ran into a guy that just bought a less than a year old F150 with an aftermarket brake controller. I didn't understand why anyone would do that. It's easy to install one so I advised him to go back and inquire. Cubby hole come out, brake controller go in.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:09 PM   #27
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[QUOTE=TURBS;861254]If in fact you have "sway control"

I do, that's why i use it.
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Old 05-12-2015, 06:01 PM   #28
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go with the integrated you will NOT regret it I have a 2012 Silverado with the Duramax and I have never seen such great brake control.
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Old 05-12-2015, 06:06 PM   #29
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I have a 2013 Chevy 3/4 ton with the integrated break controller and would never have another truck with out it.
I had an aftermarket one on my last truck, every stop light, stop sign, got the pulsing. It doesn't happen with the factory one.
GET IT! is all I can say.
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Old 05-12-2015, 08:43 PM   #30
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word to the wise

I just had my first state inspection and the service guy said I had brake controller set too high. I followed the instructions to set it up but he said after a few hundred miles it needed to be reset. He said after it starts to wear in the brakes grab better. I rechecked and it was to high. Never read this anywhere. I will check that setting more often now. Next year he said I'll probably need a new set of brakes. Live and learn.

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