Interesting Discovery about GVWR/Payload - Page 3

cmysstailights · 01-30-2019, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 2thdr

Are you in the Phoenix area? There are several truck stops along I-10, for example the Flying J has CAT scales...

No long island ny. In order for me to go to a cat scale its 2 bridges and a 1.5hr drive

cmysstailights · 01-30-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by goduc

Your truck does not weigh 5650 lbs. It weighs around 6900 lbs. Not sure where you're getting the 5650 from. That would be the weight of a 1500 not a 2500.

Registration for now till i get to a scale. Anything over 6000lbs in ny has to be registered commercial.

doc73 · 01-30-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmysstailights

Registration for now till i get to a scale. Anything over 6000lbs in ny has to be registered commercial.

Yeah, so you have your real weight minus the 9500lbs.. What you register is up to you but my guess you have 2600lbs

JohnD10 · 01-30-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by goduc

What style truck is yours? CC, SB, LB 4x4?

He can't seem to tell us exactly what truck he has...

That is why we keep getting 26xx for the weight and just basic other info.

Is it a 1500...a 2500HD...gas or diesel...what model and year is it?

cmysstailights

Give us the real facts about your truck...otherwise everything discussed here means nothing!

2thdr · 01-30-2019, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmysstailights

No long island ny. In order for me to go to a cat scale its 2 bridges and a 1.5hr drive

Wow! Quite a trip...

luker0 · 01-30-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cmysstailights

Gvwr is 9500 rear gawr is 6200
Sux there are no scales near me.
Am i right to assume that if i take my gvwr minus my curb weight that should be my payload?Attachment 195686

Published curb weight is irrelevant. Your truck with whatever options came in it will raise that number.

For example, my truck's published curb weight is 5,680 lbs.

Measured on Cat scale at 5,835 lbs. That weight is full tank of gas, spray on bed liner, small box with light tools (tow rope) and a trifold soft bed cover.

So my actual payload now is GVWR 7,200 - 5,835 = 1,365 lbs.

cmysstailights · 01-30-2019, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnD10

He can't seem to tell us exactly what truck he has...

That is why we keep getting 26xx for the weight and just basic other info.

Is it a 1500...a 2500HD...gas or diesel...what model and year is it?

cmysstailights

Give us the real facts about your truck...otherwise everything discussed here means nothing!

Thought i posted it a few posts back.

Its a 15 silverado 2500 cc sb 4x4 high country 6.0

cmysstailights · 01-30-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2thdr

Wow! Quite a trip...

Yea sux

TitanMike · 01-30-2019, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by doc73

Yeah, so you have your real weight minus the 9500lbs.. What you register is up to you but my guess you have 2600lbs

Lots of states have "tonnage fees" in their truck licensing laws. My State is among them. You don't get to pick how you register, it's based on information provided from the manufacturer on the certificate of origin.

Perhaps if you built your own --------

cmysstailights · 01-30-2019, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanMike

Lots of states have "tonnage fees" in their truck licensing laws. My State is among them. You don't get to pick how you register, it's based on information provided from the manufacturer on the certificate of origin.

Perhaps if you built your own --------

Right as long as its registered below 6100lbs and has a topper a 2500 can be registered as passenger vehicle. I would love to know what my actual is, but not in the mood to drive and pay tolls. On my way up to seasonal spot i plan on making it to the scale fully loaded since its a little out of the way.

doc73 · 01-30-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmysstailights

Right as long as its registered below 6100lbs and has a topper a 2500 can be registered as passenger vehicle. I would love to know what my actual is, but not in the mood to drive and pay tolls. On my way up to seasonal spot i plan on making it to the scale fully loaded since its a little out of the way.

Over 6100lbs...

This prob needs its own thread

doc73 · 01-30-2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanMike

Lots of states have "tonnage fees" in their truck licensing laws. My State is among them. You don't get to pick how you register, it's based on information provided from the manufacturer on the certificate of origin.

Perhaps if you built your own --------

Oh I'm aware. I was just making it clear he needs to use the REAL weight, not what he TELLS NY he weights.

JohnD10 · 01-30-2019, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmysstailights

Thought i posted it a few posts back.

Its a 15 silverado 2500 cc sb 4x4 high country 6.0

I must have missed that...

cmysstailights · 01-30-2019, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by doc73

Oh I'm aware. I was just making it clear he needs to use the REAL weight, not what he TELLS NY he weights.

Good point, didnt think the reg was that far off on the weight.

ben31 · 01-30-2019, 01:25 PM

The classes were set up, because the manufacturers had all kinds of claims they were making on payload capacity, coming up with all kinds of ratings, etc. The Feds got involved and set the standards using a set GVWR for each class to corral the manufacturers from coming up with their own scales and ratings.

Being the government, they also could charge more for registering different classes. Some states even classify all 1-tons as commercial, whether you are using it for that purpose, or not.

Good article:

https://jalopnik.com/truck-sizes-cla...-to-1613958192

cmysstailights · 01-30-2019, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by doc73

Over 6100lbs...

This prob needs its own thread

Prob, ny is ridiculous

From nysdmv website
Can I register my pick-up truck as a 'passenger' class vehicle?

Yes. Your pick-up truck can qualify for passenger class plates if it meets certain conditions, depending on its unladen weight.

If you have a modified or unmodified pick-up truck with an unladen weight less than 6,001 lbs., then you may register it in the passenger class if it meets the following conditions:
the pick-up truck does not have any business advertisements, and
the pick-up is used exclusively for non-commercial purposes

TitanMike · 01-30-2019, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ben31

The classes were set up, because the manufacturers had all kinds of claims they were making on payload capacity, coming up with all kinds of ratings, etc. The Feds got involved and set the standards using a set GVWR for each class to corral the manufacturers from coming up with their own scales and ratings.

Good article:

https://jalopnik.com/truck-sizes-cla...-to-1613958192

Anyone remember the days when when we just loaded up our truck until the main leaf spring was straight, there was a gap between it and the bump stop, and then we just aired up the tires until they weren't riding on their sidewalls?

Bought bigger bars for our WDH and as long as we could pull the hills on our trips all was good.

I remember towing a heavy trailer, hauling 4 heavy Dirt Bikes, 6- 5 gallon Gas Cans, Wife, two kids, and a German Shepherd, in my "1/2 ton Dodge Power Wagon 4X4 with 318 cu in engine with 4-speed manual (with granny gear) tranny. A little slow going up one mountain pass but never broke anything. Didn't sit around the camp worrying nor did I spend hours online trying to figure out what I should be doing.

Palinduff · 01-30-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnD10

I don't buy that at all...

There comes a point in time where a 1/2-ton will reach the upper limits of towing ability before it will no longer be a 1/2-ton truck.

Perhaps that day has finally arrived!

It seems that every day here we are reading about people wanting their 1/2-tons to pull 20,000-pound RV's...

I doubt that day will ever come.

Just like I doubt that we'll ever see a 42-foot 5'ver luxury toy hauler designed for full-time living that fully loaded will be in the 10,000-pound or under range.

That's a little exaggerated. I have never seen anyone wanting to tow a 20k unit with a 1/2 ton. But I have seen 3/4 ton and 1 ton owners wanting to put 3500 lb dry pin weights and 21,000 gvwr's in the back of their trucks. And they are planning on putting gens along with a washer and dryer in there also.

tomkatb · 01-30-2019, 02:25 PM

In the past all truck published ratings were not from the engineering department.

All was truthful. all were lies.

In the old days trucks were measured with no options. Like none. Including the bed, tailgate, spare tire and bumper.

There are no standards today, engineering stuff. Just the company does as they think.

I consider the SAE towing spec to be sort of not relevant. Engineering again. They use a fancy low profile short trailer to test. A dump trailer? I am not sure if anyone here has one of those. So what does it mean to us? A long trailer behind a short TV is fun to watch.

Then mix in state and DOT standards for commercial trucks and definition of a 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck. Commercial?

My four wheel drive Ram has axles of #5200/#6500. #4100 rated tires.

My Axles say #11,700, tires for #16,400 and the sticker says #10,000.

From an engineering perspective, I am confused at best.

MikeRP · 01-30-2019, 02:28 PM

Yeah I remember those days Mike! We are spoiled these days, I keep saying we are living in the golden age of trucks. The HD trucks have really amazing capabilities. Just look at stability, braking and components that have just greatly improved safety and handling of our vehicles. Ten years ago my 2008 MegaCab 2500 was only different than the 3500 by over load springs. I weighed it and interestingly enough it was almost the exact weigh of my 2018 Ram 3500 loaded and ready to go.

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