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Old 07-03-2016, 04:47 PM   #91
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So I did it, I upgraded to a better suited Tow Vehicle. I bought a used GMC Denali that has enough seating for my kids and a few friends while pulling my TT and even a larger one if I decided to upgrade.. Below are the specs:

Gross Combined Wt Rating 14,000 lbs

Gross Axle Wt Rating - Front 3550 lbs 3550.0 min 3550.0 max
Gross Axle Wt Rating - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Curb Weight - Front 2703 lbs 2703.0 min 2703.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear 2333 lbs 2333.0 min 2333.0 max
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap 7000 lbs 7000.0 min 7000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 8200 lbs 8200.0 min 8200.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 1000 lbs 1000.0 min 1000.0 max
uspension Type - Front Torsion Bar
Suspension Type - Rear 5-Link Coil
Spring Capacity - Front 3600 lbs 3600.0 min 3600.0 max
Spring Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Type - Front Independent
Axle Type - Rear Semi-Floating
Axle Capacity - Front 3925 lbs 3925.0 min 3925.0 max
Axle Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Front 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Rear 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max

I am pleased and now only have to add the electric brake controller and re adjust my WD hitch. I will miss my van but Ill quickly fall in love with this thing.
Good for you. You did the right thing and made a reasonable effort at being safe on the highway.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:20 PM   #92
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So I did it, I upgraded to a better suited Tow Vehicle. I bought a used GMC Denali that has enough seating for my kids and a few friends while pulling my TT and even a larger one if I decided to upgrade.. Below are the specs:

Gross Combined Wt Rating 14,000 lbs

Gross Axle Wt Rating - Front 3550 lbs 3550.0 min 3550.0 max
Gross Axle Wt Rating - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Curb Weight - Front 2703 lbs 2703.0 min 2703.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear 2333 lbs 2333.0 min 2333.0 max
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap 7000 lbs 7000.0 min 7000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 8200 lbs 8200.0 min 8200.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 1000 lbs 1000.0 min 1000.0 max
uspension Type - Front Torsion Bar
Suspension Type - Rear 5-Link Coil
Spring Capacity - Front 3600 lbs 3600.0 min 3600.0 max
Spring Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Type - Front Independent
Axle Type - Rear Semi-Floating
Axle Capacity - Front 3925 lbs 3925.0 min 3925.0 max
Axle Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Front 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Rear 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max

I am pleased and now only have to add the electric brake controller and re adjust my WD hitch. I will miss my van but Ill quickly fall in love with this thing.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but with a 14,000 Gross Combined Weight Rating and a 7000 lb Gross Vehicle Rating, you'll have 7000 lbs Gross to play with for a trailer. It's not a lot, but it'll get you into an nice light weight. Good Luck!
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:39 PM   #93
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Tell me if I'm wrong, but with a 14,000 Gross Combined Weight Rating and a 7000 lb Gross Vehicle Rating, you'll have 7000 lbs Gross to play with for a trailer. It's not a lot, but it'll get you into an nice light weight. Good Luck!
My guess is, with a WDH, it can tow an 8,200 lb. trailer with 1,000 pounds of the trailer weight on the tongue (which would be included in the 7,000 lb. GVWR). That will leave 964 pounds remaining for occupants and cargo.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:42 PM   #94
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My guess is, with a WDH, it can tow an 8,200 lb. trailer with 1,000 pounds of the trailer weight on the tongue (which would be included in the 7,000 lb. GVWR). That will leave 964 pounds remaining for occupants and cargo.


You pretty much nailed it on the head. I still have to weigh it all to get facts.


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Old 07-03-2016, 10:32 PM   #95
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My guess is, with a WDH, it can tow an 8,200 lb. trailer with 1,000 pounds of the trailer weight on the tongue (which would be included in the 7,000 lb. GVWR). That will leave 964 pounds remaining for occupants and cargo.
The hitch rating is specific to the hitch only and doesn't let you increase other weights. The same hitch may be used on several different vehicles. My hitch is rated (WD) at 1,600 pounds tongue and 16,000 pounds trailer weight. That number for the trailer alone exceeds the max gross combined weight of 15,950. Additionally, the truck has a published trailer weight limit of 10,360. This hitch is on a 1500 series truck but can also be on a 2500 or 3500 series truck.
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:54 PM   #96
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The hitch rating is specific to the hitch only and doesn't let you increase other weights. The same hitch may be used on several different vehicles. My hitch is rated (WD) at 1,600 pounds tongue and 16,000 pounds trailer weight. That number for the trailer alone exceeds the max gross combined weight of 15,950. Additionally, the truck has a published trailer weight limit of 10,360. This hitch is on a 1500 series truck but can also be on a 2500 or 3500 series truck.
Agree. All the WDH does is to distribute the added tongue weight from the rear end of the TV to the front axle so you can still control the steering and keep everything more or less level.
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Old 07-05-2016, 10:47 AM   #97
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Did you get the 3/4 ton version or the 1/2 ton? If it's the half ton I hate to say it, but now you'll probably be over the GVWR of the Denali! They have a very small payload capacity. And with a full family and your stuff I think you'll find that you'll be at you GVWR without even hooking up your trailer! I hope I'm wrong, but my money is on being over!
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Not sure but I do know that it has 8200 trailer pull, my trailer weighs 4890 loaded, and that it has a GVWR of 7000 and although I have not weighed it , according to specs it weighs just over 5000 dry and we weigh about 600 so Were well within. It also has a total of 14000 gwcr and were well under. We are ok according to spec and better than what I had , although I loved my van, she will be missed


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According to your numbers, you should be ok. Good luck!
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:48 PM   #100
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Your insurance company will only defend you up to your insurance limits. If the person suing you is charging that it was your reckless and negligent conduct (by exceeding published safe load limits) that caused the accident and resulting damage and injuries, they may well go for big bucks beyond your coverage. Any judgement that exceeds your insurance coverage will be your responsibility. Larry G.
Yes, the insurance will pay out in ALL accidents, up to the pre-defined limits DUI or not. You can always be sued out of an accident. If I reread what you said you said what I just said.

Just to the rest of the folks. Running heavier than your vehicle is rated for may not get you into criminal court if you get in an accident (guilty beyond a reasonable doubt), but you can get yourself into civil court, which requires FAR less evidence to convict. Civil courts are where the big lawsuits go.
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