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Old 07-02-2016, 12:30 PM   #81
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[QUOTE=mrpep;1246533]That can't be real... Or is it??


You can see it real clear when Desi was backing up the trailer in the driveway and took out the carport. However, I couldn't find a close-up picture of it.

Here is an old forum post I found looking for photos.

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Old 07-02-2016, 01:43 PM   #82
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The weight Police said it couldn't/shouldn't be done but I did it anyway. Been all the up the ALCAN and all over Alaska without a problem. My calculations show I am 400# over on the trucks rear axle. Got the tires rotated yesterday as I did notice more wear on the rear tires than the front.
Every 5er I owned required tire rotation at about 10,000 as the weight on the rear axel caused tires to wear faster.
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The weight Police said it couldn't/shouldn't be done but I did it anyway. Been all the up the ALCAN and all over Alaska without a problem. My calculations show I am 400# over on the trucks rear axle. Got the tires rotated yesterday as I did notice more wear on the rear tires than the front.
Glad to hear you made it home safely. Take care of yourself.
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Old 07-02-2016, 08:57 PM   #84
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One of the things to consider is stopping distance. More total weight => longer stopping distance.

RE insurance co. Yes it may not happen often but I can tell you from first hand experience that sometimes a lot of claims will be made when trying to find someone to hold accountable.
I was retained as a Expert Witness in a single car fatal accident. There were many claims about the car and who modified it and its performance.
Details such as wheels, tire wear level, tire size and design were brought up.

I was able to establish that none of the claims were valid but it took extensive effort. I ended up buying a duplicate model car from same year production. Had to locate the out of production suspect tires and have their tread depth shaved to duplicate those involved in the accident. Found the exact model wheels on eBay. Even rented a race track, hired local fire dept to wet the track to duplicate the rain and two film crews for documentation. Some details such as examination of the brake light bulb filament fracture pattern were introduced in evidence.

IMO There would be no way to not show that exceeding GCWR would result in longer stopping distance which would mean you could be found guilty if the claim was that you did not stop in time to prevent you from hitting the other car or pedestrian.
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The weight Police said it couldn't/shouldn't be done but I did it anyway. Been all the up the ALCAN and all over Alaska without a problem. My calculations show I am 400# over on the trucks rear axle. Got the tires rotated yesterday as I did notice more wear on the rear tires than the front.
Holly Molly you made past your driveway without a catastrophic failure I find that hard to believe. Sounds like you had a good trip that many only dream about making.
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I was on a large airliner that taxied out but then returned to gate and asked for ONE volunteer to get off as we were overweight!

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So I did it, I upgraded to a better suited Tow Vehicle. I bought a used GMC Denali that has enough seating for my kids and a few friends while pulling my TT and even a larger one if I decided to upgrade.. Below are the specs:

Gross Combined Wt Rating 14,000 lbs

Gross Axle Wt Rating - Front 3550 lbs 3550.0 min 3550.0 max
Gross Axle Wt Rating - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Curb Weight - Front 2703 lbs 2703.0 min 2703.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear 2333 lbs 2333.0 min 2333.0 max
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap 7000 lbs 7000.0 min 7000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 8200 lbs 8200.0 min 8200.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 1000 lbs 1000.0 min 1000.0 max
uspension Type - Front Torsion Bar
Suspension Type - Rear 5-Link Coil
Spring Capacity - Front 3600 lbs 3600.0 min 3600.0 max
Spring Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Type - Front Independent
Axle Type - Rear Semi-Floating
Axle Capacity - Front 3925 lbs 3925.0 min 3925.0 max
Axle Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Front 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Rear 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max

I am pleased and now only have to add the electric brake controller and re adjust my WD hitch. I will miss my van but Ill quickly fall in love with this thing.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:21 AM   #88
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I’ve been reading various RV Forums since 2002 and I have yet to hear of anyone having been denied their insurance claim because they were overweight. Nor have I heard of any insurance company impounding a truck and trailer so they could take it to a scale. In a really nasty accident to get the actual weight they would have to go out and weigh all the pieces. Sorry but I consider the insurance scare nothing more than a “urban wives tale.”

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I’ve been reading various RV Forums since 2002 and I have yet to hear of anyone having been denied their insurance claim because they were overweight. Nor have I heard of any insurance company impounding a truck and trailer so they could take it to a scale. In a really nasty accident to get the actual weight they would have to go out and weigh all the pieces. Sorry but I consider the insurance scare nothing more than a “urban wives tale.”

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In a court case the judge finds the person guilty he will order restitution and guess who is the one that gets paid back first - yep the insurance company. No they can’t deny to pay the claim but they can collect ever dime they paid out for the claim plus a reasonable about of damages/interest. No, you can’t just declare bankruptcy on judgement and they can garish up to 65% or you pay till it is paid off.
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One of the things to consider is stopping distance. More total weight => longer stopping distance.

RE insurance co. Yes it may not happen often but I can tell you from first hand experience that sometimes a lot of claims will be made when trying to find someone to hold accountable.
I was retained as a Expert Witness in a single car fatal accident. There were many claims about the car and who modified it and its performance.
Details such as wheels, tire wear level, tire size and design were brought up.

I was able to establish that none of the claims were valid but it took extensive effort. I ended up buying a duplicate model car from same year production. Had to locate the out of production suspect tires and have their tread depth shaved to duplicate those involved in the accident. Found the exact model wheels on eBay. Even rented a race track, hired local fire dept to wet the track to duplicate the rain and two film crews for documentation. Some details such as examination of the brake light bulb filament fracture pattern were introduced in evidence.

IMO There would be no way to not show that exceeding GCWR would result in longer stopping distance which would mean you could be found guilty if the claim was that you did not stop in time to prevent you from hitting the other car or pedestrian.
Anybody that tows anything over weight or not that does not increase stopping distance is the problem not the weight or the TV . people need to learn to drive not assume they don't have to change their driving habits because they feel their TV is big enough to handle it .

it's stupid people like this that cause accidents . because you can stop your truck from 60 to 0 in 90 ft does not mean you can stop your truck and 10,000 lbs TT in the same distance at the same speed . if you don't take things like this into consideration then they don't belong behind a wheel let alone towing something
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So I did it, I upgraded to a better suited Tow Vehicle. I bought a used GMC Denali that has enough seating for my kids and a few friends while pulling my TT and even a larger one if I decided to upgrade.. Below are the specs:

Gross Combined Wt Rating 14,000 lbs

Gross Axle Wt Rating - Front 3550 lbs 3550.0 min 3550.0 max
Gross Axle Wt Rating - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Curb Weight - Front 2703 lbs 2703.0 min 2703.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear 2333 lbs 2333.0 min 2333.0 max
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap 7000 lbs 7000.0 min 7000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 8200 lbs 8200.0 min 8200.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 1000 lbs 1000.0 min 1000.0 max
uspension Type - Front Torsion Bar
Suspension Type - Rear 5-Link Coil
Spring Capacity - Front 3600 lbs 3600.0 min 3600.0 max
Spring Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Type - Front Independent
Axle Type - Rear Semi-Floating
Axle Capacity - Front 3925 lbs 3925.0 min 3925.0 max
Axle Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Front 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Rear 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max

I am pleased and now only have to add the electric brake controller and re adjust my WD hitch. I will miss my van but Ill quickly fall in love with this thing.
Good for you. You did the right thing and made a reasonable effort at being safe on the highway.
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:20 PM   #92
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So I did it, I upgraded to a better suited Tow Vehicle. I bought a used GMC Denali that has enough seating for my kids and a few friends while pulling my TT and even a larger one if I decided to upgrade.. Below are the specs:

Gross Combined Wt Rating 14,000 lbs

Gross Axle Wt Rating - Front 3550 lbs 3550.0 min 3550.0 max
Gross Axle Wt Rating - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Curb Weight - Front 2703 lbs 2703.0 min 2703.0 max
Curb Weight - Rear 2333 lbs 2333.0 min 2333.0 max
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap 7000 lbs 7000.0 min 7000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 8200 lbs 8200.0 min 8200.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 1000 lbs 1000.0 min 1000.0 max
uspension Type - Front Torsion Bar
Suspension Type - Rear 5-Link Coil
Spring Capacity - Front 3600 lbs 3600.0 min 3600.0 max
Spring Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Type - Front Independent
Axle Type - Rear Semi-Floating
Axle Capacity - Front 3925 lbs 3925.0 min 3925.0 max
Axle Capacity - Rear 4000 lbs 4000.0 min 4000.0 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Front 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max
Axle Ratio (:1) - Rear 3.73 3.73 min 3.73 max

I am pleased and now only have to add the electric brake controller and re adjust my WD hitch. I will miss my van but Ill quickly fall in love with this thing.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but with a 14,000 Gross Combined Weight Rating and a 7000 lb Gross Vehicle Rating, you'll have 7000 lbs Gross to play with for a trailer. It's not a lot, but it'll get you into an nice light weight. Good Luck!
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Tell me if I'm wrong, but with a 14,000 Gross Combined Weight Rating and a 7000 lb Gross Vehicle Rating, you'll have 7000 lbs Gross to play with for a trailer. It's not a lot, but it'll get you into an nice light weight. Good Luck!
My guess is, with a WDH, it can tow an 8,200 lb. trailer with 1,000 pounds of the trailer weight on the tongue (which would be included in the 7,000 lb. GVWR). That will leave 964 pounds remaining for occupants and cargo.
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My guess is, with a WDH, it can tow an 8,200 lb. trailer with 1,000 pounds of the trailer weight on the tongue (which would be included in the 7,000 lb. GVWR). That will leave 964 pounds remaining for occupants and cargo.


You pretty much nailed it on the head. I still have to weigh it all to get facts.


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My guess is, with a WDH, it can tow an 8,200 lb. trailer with 1,000 pounds of the trailer weight on the tongue (which would be included in the 7,000 lb. GVWR). That will leave 964 pounds remaining for occupants and cargo.
The hitch rating is specific to the hitch only and doesn't let you increase other weights. The same hitch may be used on several different vehicles. My hitch is rated (WD) at 1,600 pounds tongue and 16,000 pounds trailer weight. That number for the trailer alone exceeds the max gross combined weight of 15,950. Additionally, the truck has a published trailer weight limit of 10,360. This hitch is on a 1500 series truck but can also be on a 2500 or 3500 series truck.
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The hitch rating is specific to the hitch only and doesn't let you increase other weights. The same hitch may be used on several different vehicles. My hitch is rated (WD) at 1,600 pounds tongue and 16,000 pounds trailer weight. That number for the trailer alone exceeds the max gross combined weight of 15,950. Additionally, the truck has a published trailer weight limit of 10,360. This hitch is on a 1500 series truck but can also be on a 2500 or 3500 series truck.
Agree. All the WDH does is to distribute the added tongue weight from the rear end of the TV to the front axle so you can still control the steering and keep everything more or less level.
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Did you get the 3/4 ton version or the 1/2 ton? If it's the half ton I hate to say it, but now you'll probably be over the GVWR of the Denali! They have a very small payload capacity. And with a full family and your stuff I think you'll find that you'll be at you GVWR without even hooking up your trailer! I hope I'm wrong, but my money is on being over!
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Not sure but I do know that it has 8200 trailer pull, my trailer weighs 4890 loaded, and that it has a GVWR of 7000 and although I have not weighed it , according to specs it weighs just over 5000 dry and we weigh about 600 so Were well within. It also has a total of 14000 gwcr and were well under. We are ok according to spec and better than what I had , although I loved my van, she will be missed


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According to your numbers, you should be ok. Good luck!
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Your insurance company will only defend you up to your insurance limits. If the person suing you is charging that it was your reckless and negligent conduct (by exceeding published safe load limits) that caused the accident and resulting damage and injuries, they may well go for big bucks beyond your coverage. Any judgement that exceeds your insurance coverage will be your responsibility. Larry G.
Yes, the insurance will pay out in ALL accidents, up to the pre-defined limits DUI or not. You can always be sued out of an accident. If I reread what you said you said what I just said.

Just to the rest of the folks. Running heavier than your vehicle is rated for may not get you into criminal court if you get in an accident (guilty beyond a reasonable doubt), but you can get yourself into civil court, which requires FAR less evidence to convict. Civil courts are where the big lawsuits go.
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