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Old 02-12-2012, 01:41 PM   #1
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It's coming down to the tire...

or where the rubber meets the road.

Alas, after 85,000 happy miles the tread on my original equipment Michelin LTX MS/2 tires is almost down to the tread wear indicators. If I weren't towing I'd ride them out another 5,000 miles.

I have also decided to go with a slightly bigger tire, 265/70 17" as opposed to the original 255/65 17". The new tire(s) are about 1.5 inches taller than the originals.

After some comparison shopping the finalists are, based on performance numbers and what I can afford:

Cooper Discoverer LTX vs Goodyear Wrangler AT/S

Here's a blow by blow: (with the original Michelin's thrown in for comparison. Remember they were a smaller tire.)

Tire.........Speed......Load.....Warranty....UTQG. ....Price OTD.....Rebate

Cooper........S..........115.........65,000......5 20 AB.....$740............$100
Goodyear.....S..........113........unknown....360 AB.....$728............$50
Originals......S..........108.........60,000...... 420 AB

So I think I'm going with the Coopers. I've not owned any Coopers before. Anybody got experience with them? I have owned at least one set of Goodyear, and they were decent, get-what-you-pay-for tires. But did not WOW me like getting 85,000 out of these factory equipment/original Michelin tires.

BTW the Michelin equivalents are $1126.46 OTD.

The Goodyear guy is my Ford dealer. He doesn't know beans about tires and said Cooper was a "cheap, no name house brand" and then answered my "max load in pounds" question with "42 psi" I noticed he sells Mastercraft which is a Cooper brand.

However his road hazard insurance is only $8, whereas the Cooper guy want's $90 for his. (Which I have declined in this price) I haven't torn up a tire in quite a while, so I'll do without.

Anybody out there despise Cooper tires? Why?
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:51 PM   #2
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I would stay the same size tire you are running now - the taller tire will change your shift pattern on the tranny - trust me I know this cause I am running a 2" taller tire then stock and want to go back to 33" tires cause it lugs bad especially over hills.
3.92 gears with a 35" tire.

I have had coopers - Discover HT Plus - they were 275/60/20 though and they wore out fast with uneven wear as well. Never will I buy Coopers again

If it was me I would buy the Michelin's - the two sets of Michelin's I have owned which were the LTX MS tires they wore like Iron - Both in a Load Range E and both were in a 16" tire though.

I now run a Dick Cepek FCII's Load Range E - 305/70/18
They are wearing nicely and didnt make much noise in the begining but not they make the winey sound you get with a mud tire even though they are an all terrain tire. I would buy the Dick Cepek's again
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:03 PM   #3
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X2 about getting Michelins.You just can't get a better tire.I've had Coopers on my other trucks and they had good traction but wore out extremely fast.Just my experience.Spend the extra money and go with the Michelins,you will save money in the long run .
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:10 PM   #4
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I can only comment on the GoodYear Wrangler AT/S. Had them on my 2004 F150 FX4 and got 130,000 KM (80,000 miles) out of them. The ride was good and when it was time to change bought the same.
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My Dodge came with Wrangler HP.Got 50,000 kms out of them.There might be 10 to 15 thousand kms left on them but changed to Michelins before winter.Just my experience.
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If you tow (and I'm guessing you do since you are on this board) don't go bigger on the tires unless you always feel like you've got power to spare.

If you are strictly an on-road guy, you're going to have a hard time beating the Michelin LTX M/S2. The Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza is another excellent road-only tire (don't know about its load bearing abilities).

I've never had a good long-term relationship with a Goodyear tire. Kelly tires have been good to me, though. Go figure.

I have a set of Cooper ST MAXX on my truck right now, but I've only got about 6,000 miles on them. They've been great on and off road in the wet and dry. They replaced a brand new set of Firestone Transforce HT that came on the truck that liked to hydroplane at highway speeds.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:45 PM   #7
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If you are strictly an on-road guy, you're going to have a hard time beating the Michelin LTX M/S2.
I've owned Goodyears, Kellys, & Bridgestones on my trucks. My current vehicle came with the Goodyear AT/S (I think). They were noisy, and went about 38,000 miles properly inflated, rotated & aligned.

I'm presently running the Michelin LTX M/S2s. Couldn't be happier on all accounts. Were they expensive? Yes. Would I buy them again? Yes, since I think in the long run they'll be cost effective.

Good luck--this is surely one of those religious discussions.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:46 PM   #8
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Don't replace with a larger diameter tire. If you do, you're effectively lowering the axle ratio (same as going from 3.73 to 3.55). This will made the towing experience worse...particularly climbing grades.

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You got 85K out of the original equipment Michelins and you are going to something else! WHY?
Anything else will be a 40K tire, why not go with what works??
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Seeing that you're pulling a 5th wheel, I'd also recommend switching to a LT load range E as long as they're not larger diameter. They'll feel much better than the P metrics.

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