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Old 05-09-2014, 01:56 PM   #41
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I did at one time, but sold the Camino in 2000.
Do wish I still had it or the 72.
That's brilliant. I hadn't seen that before - the picture didn't show up in the app.

Neat stuff, OC.
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To the OP...

I'd love to run the numbers on your combination. I shared my numbers with the group here when I purchased my current HTT. The overall conclusion was my 1/2 ton van would pull my new HTT but it would leave me slightly over a couple of ratings. That conversation here led me to purchase a different TV. I didnt want to be slightly over a couple ratings (RAWR, GVWR/TV) and at the max on others (GCWR).

I have taken my new TV & HTT to the scales a handful of times last summer. I learned a lot. It helped me fix a few things by telling me where all of my weight was and where it should go when loading. I reach my GVWR fast on my TV. Thats the downside to towing with a conversion van even if its a 3/4 ton.

I have tried to share what I know (not that much) with a man I work with and he didnt want that much information. He told me he looked at one number and one number only. The towing capacity. I asked him about the RAWR, GCWR, GVWR-TV? He said he's good on the tow capacity and thats all that matters to him. I let it go at that. I did get some more info about his TT and TV and was able to figure out that his 2004 Envoy has a GCWR of 10,000lbs and he will have a GCWR (minimum) of 13,000lbs. That's crazy to me and there is no way he cant feel that. But then he wanted a really big TT and didnt want to replace his TV.

I would encourage you to get to the scales and run all of those numbers for yourself. Not for others here but for you. The numbers will help tell you what you are feeling when you are towing. I decided that I wanted to know! I realized if I was hiding from the numbers I shouldnt be towing with my setup so I have weighed her up more than once. After doing so I can hit the road with confidence. Thats been worth every minute spent at the scales.

I also can honestly tell others "here" that ALL my numbers are good! My numbers really are good too but depending on my load they come close to some limits and thats exactly what I feel when I am towing. It's not just a number its my reality when towing. In the flat areas of MN it feels pretty good. But out west its not so easy and frankly I dont like that. I'd like some more power when pulling up those mountains and around home. I've got a 3/4 ton diesel pickup on my wish list.

So I'd encourage you to go to the scales and dig into those numbers. Do this for you. Nobody else. Figure out what your GCWR, RAWR, GVWR (TV and TT)? You'll learn a lot. I did. I dont have any regret learning what I have learned. It's taking a look at the reality of whats happening. Its knowledge. Its all good! Best wishes to you.

I'd love to do that. Understand one thing, my WDH was never set correctly from the dealer, so yeah the ride home was scary. I played with it & improved the ride, but it wasn't quite rite. After reading the instructions on proper measuring and adjustment of the WDH, now at least TV & TT sit level. Next week I'll take it for a spin. I'll post more afterwards.
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I'd love to do that. Understand one thing, my WDH was never set correctly from the dealer, so yeah the ride home was scary. I played with it & improved the ride, but it wasn't quite rite. After reading the instructions on proper measuring and adjustment of the WDH, now at least TV & TT sit level. Next week I'll take it for a spin. I'll post more afterwards.
That's pretty bad when the dealer doesn't set the hitch up properly for maiden trips off the lot.
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Old 05-09-2014, 10:38 PM   #44
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That's pretty bad when the dealer doesn't set the hitch up properly for maiden trips off the lot.
My dealer has never set mine up correctly.(0 for 2 ) There in to big of a hurry. That and Im too anal about my set up anyway.
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My dealer didn't have my height correct. It was too close to the bed and was nose down, the way the parking lot is angled I wrote both off. When I got it home and checked it out, yeah. Fortunately all I had to do was raise the ball one hole.
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My hitch wasn't set up correctly by the dealer either. A co-worker and I took it to a flat parking lot and got it set up correctly and it pulled at least twice as good as when I brought it home from the dealer.

I think it's common practice to get you out of the door quickly once the papers are signed so it's a good thing to research and learn on your own as soon as possible.
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To the OP...

I'd love to run the numbers on your combination. I shared my numbers with the group here when I purchased my current HTT. The overall conclusion was my 1/2 ton van would pull my new HTT but it would leave me slightly over a couple of ratings. That conversation here led me to purchase a different TV. I didnt want to be slightly over a couple ratings (RAWR, GVWR/TV) and at the max on others (GCWR).

I have taken my new TV & HTT to the scales a handful of times last summer. I learned a lot. It helped me fix a few things by telling me where all of my weight was and where it should go when loading. I reach my GVWR fast on my TV. Thats the downside to towing with a conversion van even if its a 3/4 ton.

I have tried to share what I know (not that much) with a man I work with and he didnt want that much information. He told me he looked at one number and one number only. The towing capacity. I asked him about the RAWR, GCWR, GVWR-TV? He said he's good on the tow capacity and thats all that matters to him. I let it go at that. I did get some more info about his TT and TV and was able to figure out that his 2004 Envoy has a GCWR of 10,000lbs and he will have a GCWR (minimum) of 13,000lbs. That's crazy to me and there is no way he cant feel that. But then he wanted a really big TT and didnt want to replace his TV.

I would encourage you to get to the scales and run all of those numbers for yourself. Not for others here but for you. The numbers will help tell you what you are feeling when you are towing. I decided that I wanted to know! I realized if I was hiding from the numbers I shouldnt be towing with my setup so I have weighed her up more than once. After doing so I can hit the road with confidence. Thats been worth every minute spent at the scales.

I also can honestly tell others "here" that ALL my numbers are good! My numbers really are good too but depending on my load they come close to some limits and thats exactly what I feel when I am towing. It's not just a number its my reality when towing. In the flat areas of MN it feels pretty good. But out west its not so easy and frankly I dont like that. I'd like some more power when pulling up those mountains and around home. I've got a 3/4 ton diesel pickup on my wish list.

So I'd encourage you to go to the scales and dig into those numbers. Do this for you. Nobody else. Figure out what your GCWR, RAWR, GVWR (TV and TT)? You'll learn a lot. I did. I dont have any regret learning what I have learned. It's taking a look at the reality of whats happening. Its knowledge. Its all good! Best wishes to you.
This is a very good response. I look at a class 7 or class 8 truck that pulls a trailer that is significantly longer and heavier than the truck pulling it and think if this is safe, why can't a shorter wheelbase vehicle be safe pulling a longer TT?
I also look at American trucks and think "why?" When Twisty got his truck it was the first time I realized that a full-size truck weighs almost 4 tons! That's nuts. (I still want one, though!)
If you look at the REST of the world, some places-like England-have much more stringent laws regarding towing. Combinations like the OPs are the norm.
The trailer that flipped in the video flipped because of crosswinds. It would have flipped regardless of the type of vehicle towing it.
IMO-The weight police should "speak up" if a combination is shooting its headlights into the sky, has overloaded tires, is grossly over its GCWR or RAWR, or other obviously dangerous conditions.
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To each their own. Lots of people look at me like I am crazy (well, I think they have something there) for towing my Roo with my Libby. Not that I am going to go any bigger, but if my trailer was slightly bigger (23 Roo instead of a 21), I would still tow it. Me personally, I wouldn't use the setup the OP has. But, as I said, to each their own. Good luck and drive safely.
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Okay, today I decided to take the Jammer out for a spin in the area. The pic I posted was done after I made some adjustments. Now I parked it in a lot and noticed the front end of the trailer is higher then the back. My vehicle sits at 33" in the front and 33" in the rear (normally it's at 34") so I'm good there the ball height is all the way down on the 10" drop so I ordered a 12" drop. That should do it before I hit the road. All this should've been done by my dealer.
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Okay, today I decided to take the Jammer out for a spin in the area. The pic I posted was done after I made some adjustments. Now I parked it in a lot and noticed the front end of the trailer is higher then the back. My vehicle sits at 33" in the front and 33" in the rear (normally it's at 34") so I'm good there the ball height is all the way down on the 10" drop so I ordered a 12" drop. That should do it before I hit the road. All this should've been done by my dealer.
You better be sure of your setup and have it dialed in correctly because you're surely overweight on payload and GVWR.
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