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Old 03-16-2014, 10:14 AM   #11
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I weighed my TV alone pretty much as it would be loaded for a trip, including myself and DW. I weighed again when we were all hooked up and headed out on a trip. I added the steer and drive axle weights together from the hooked up weigh-in and subtracted the total TV weight from the first weigh-in and called that my tongue weight. I'm not completely sold on having the hitch coupler in the TV on the base weigh -in since that is part of the tongue weight from the perspective of the hitch receiver.

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Your tongue weight is a false read. For true tongue weight you can not have the bars on.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:32 AM   #12
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you can't measure tongue weight either way. You are measuring axle weight. You can closely calculate tongue weight with the right measurements from the scales. You need to measure with and without bars though so you know your calculated tongue weight is in a "safe" zone.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:39 AM   #13
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IMHO you dont have all the info you / we need to recommend anything.
Need to know the weight on the truck axles front n rear without the camper hooked up.
I would measure at the wheel wells w/o being hooked up.
Then hook up and adjust hitch so the front wheel well is back to stock height.
Thats a good starting point.(make sure your unit is level.)
At the scales your going to need 3 different weigh ins.
W/O wdh
W/wdh
Truck by itself.
Then you have all the numbers you need to see where you stand and if adjustment are needed.
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Without all the right info your just spending a lot of energy and time guessing.
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you can't measure tongue weight either way. You are measuring axle weight. You can closely calculate tongue weight with the right measurements from the scales. You need to measure with and without bars though so you know your calculated tongue weight is in a "safe" zone.
really need 3 weigh ins
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:44 AM   #14
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really need 3 weigh ins
yep, then you can do math till your head hurts and come up with a fairly close number.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:49 AM   #15
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IMHO you dont have all the info you / we need to recommend anything.
Need to know the weight on the truck axles front n rear without the camper hooked up.
I would measure at the wheel wells w/o being hooked up.
Then hook up and adjust hitch so the front wheel well is back to stock height.
Thats a good starting point.(make sure your unit is level.)
At the scales your going to need 3 different weigh ins.
W/O wdh
W/wdh
Truck by itself.
Then you have all the numbers you need to see where you stand and if adjustment are needed.
Travel Trailer Weight Calculator
Without all the right info your just spending a lot of energy and time guessing.
this is a very good link! I have said for a very long time to take what the manufacturer specifies and deduct 15% to 20% for a safety margin. that is exactly what this link suggests as well! it's true if you want to add for unforeseen factors like hills and wind or rough roads etc etc.

"Enter a percentage (1 to 50) of the tow vehicle′s maximum ratings you wish to leave as a safety margin. Recommended margin is 20%."
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Here's what I use to calculate weights:
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I had similar issues with my first TT I have a f150 with the 4.2 6 cyl I bought a 27ft TT weighed about 6000lb I didn't no about what weight I could or couldn't pull the dealer said your good this is half ton towable well long story short it wasn't the TT for my truck we sold it a few years later (wife got pregnant) so this winter I started looking for a new camper and thanks to the great folks on this forum I learned a lot I took my truck to the cat scale found out what it weighed how much weight it could hold and pull safely then stayed 1800lb under what the factory recommended weight because thanks to experience and everyone here you need to take into consideration the people and all the stuff your going to take with you also when I weighed my truck I had a full tank of gas me,wife,dog,and my son and anything in the truck I would put in there for a camping trip NEVER LET THE DEALER TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN PULL KNOW FOR YOURSELF
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I had similar issues with my first TT I have a f150 with the 4.2 6 cyl I bought a 27ft TT weighed about 6000lb I didn't no about what weight I could or couldn't pull the dealer said your good this is half ton towable well long story short it wasn't the TT for my truck we sold it a few years later (wife got pregnant) so this winter I started looking for a new camper and thanks to the great folks on this forum I learned a lot I took my truck to the cat scale found out what it weighed how much weight it could hold and pull safely then stayed 1800lb under what the factory recommended weight because thanks to experience and everyone here you need to take into consideration the people and all the stuff your going to take with you also when I weighed my truck I had a full tank of gas me,wife,dog,and my son and anything in the truck I would put in there for a camping trip NEVER LET THE DEALER TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN PULL KNOW FOR YOURSELF

EXACTLY!! very well said!! cause they don't know!
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Your tongue weight is a false read. For true tongue weight you can not have the bars on.
Q: If my truck is heavier hitched to the trailer than it is by itself then where did the extra weight come from? A: From the tongue of the trailer. Bars or no bars, the tongue weight is either going to be wholy on the rear axle or partially distributed to the front. I'm not trying to argue just trying to understand what I'm missing.

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Here's what I use to calculate weights:
This is essentially what I'm doing here:
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(It's alien powered- watch out for the goo juice.)
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