Keeping it Under GVWR

[Karl4Cat]

Kenny, posted payload is never accurate. Door sticker never is either. Kind of like dry weights on a trailer. Everyone loves to jump up and down on the forums about the lack of accuracy in RV dry weights but for some reason payload stickers and manufacturer ratings on trucks seem to be taken as gospel. The only way to know your real payload number is found the same way as finding your RV's weight. Take it to a scale with the family, your hitch in, a full tank of fuel, and any gear you normally travel with aboard. Then subtract that scale number from the truck's GVWR and you have your actual payload.

[Kenny kustom]

I know.. I can see, being off by a couple hundred, but not 1000lbs.

It shouldn't be that hard for the manufacturer to be accurate on these numbers.

That 1k I'm missing, is pretty much the need to go to a drw.

( or maybe a 2500... Lol)


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Kenny kustom]

How does anyone make an informed decision on trucks and trailers, when both the truck and trailer manufacturers posted weights are so far off!


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[DreiHunde]

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

How does anyone make an informed decision on trucks and trailers, when both the truck and trailer manufacturers posted weights are so far off!


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

That should be the quote of the year!!

[Karl4Cat]

You really have to be your own advocate. Do your own weighing before buying on both or talk to someone you trust with the same setup that did. I agree, it shouldn't have to be that way...

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by Karl4Cat

You really have to be your own advocate. Do your own weighing before buying on both or talk to someone you trust with the same setup that did. I agree, it shouldn't have to be that way...

I wish that would be possible.
Yes, you could weigh your empty truck, but to actually weigh truck and trailer together, before purchase would be impossible.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Karl4Cat]

I don't think you'd have to. You can weigh the pin of the RV with a Sherline pin weight scale and weigh your truck at a drive on scale. Those are the two numbers you really need to be concerned with. Total weight of the RV is less important than the pin when you're worried about payload.

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by Karl4Cat

I don't think you'd have to. You can weigh the pin of the RV with a Sherline pin weight scale and weigh your truck at a drive on scale. Those are the two numbers you really need to be concerned with. Total weight of the RV is less important than the pin when you're worried about payload.

That would work.
You're right, total weight doesn't matter as much, but pin in very important.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Karl4Cat]

They come in 1k, 2k, and 5k. For some reason the 5k is more expensive. This is funny because the scales are identical but for a different gauge that costs the same to manufacturer. I actually had a 2k when I was a TT guy and bought a new dial to convert it to 5k when I bought a 5th. One thing to remember is never lift a Sherline by it's scale pad. It can pull out of the scale requiring bleeding to get it working correctly.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by Kenny kustom

How does anyone make an informed decision on trucks and trailers, when both the truck and trailer manufacturers posted weights are so far off!


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

Originally Posted by DreiHunde

That should be the quote of the year!!

X2

I agree with both of you. I lost close to 1000 lbs of payload on my truck after options and ready to camp weights. You can stubby pencil weights all you want but you don't know till you pull it on the scales. My 5er had dry pin weight percentage of 19.8 percent but after loaded ready to camp it had 24.1 percent pin weight. There is no way to know till you put it the scales. I think a lot of people if they would scale would find they are not only over the yellow lawyer sticker but also over axle weights and tire ratings. I know I was with my Chevy 2500HD with 2475 pay load and the 5er below.

[Kenny kustom]

It's a crock of bs.

I'm going to be close on payload.

So, either live with it, or take a bath, and trade my srw in for a drw.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Karl4Cat]

I'd certainly try it before taking said bath.

[Kenny kustom]

I do have to edit one number, I had thought my truck was 11.4 gvwr.
It is 11.7. ( 11.4 was my 350)

So in the end, I do have about 3200 for payload, with my fat butt in there.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by Karl4Cat

I'd certainly try it before taking said bath.

Seeing as there's 4 feet of snow outside, I have not installed the rails or wiring for the fifth. I know, it will tow just fine...

But, I've been the preacher of weights, so I can't go and be over!!!


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Helmsey]

Me, half(ish) tank of fuel in the truck in my sig, leaves me about 4200lbs of payload.

[drittal]

Curious what you door sticker says for available payload.

Reinforces my stance that 3/4t diesel isn't the right truck for anything above modest 5th wheels.

[ependydad]

Kenny Kustom, clear out your PM box. I tried sending you another and it said you're full up.

[CWSWine]

I was reading the Ram specs and they are more confusing than Fords. But I did find that the max tow ratings they are using 15% pin weights.

I thought the max GVWR of 1 ton truck was limited to 11,500lbs but I see that Ram has much higher GVWR with some SRW 3500 have 12,300 lbs GVWR. Then using 15% pin weights you can get some very large tow ratings.

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by drittal

Curious what you door sticker says for available payload.

Reinforces my stance that 3/4t diesel isn't the right truck for anything above modest 5th wheels.

3747


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS

[Kenny kustom]

Originally Posted by Helmsey

Me, half(ish) tank of fuel in the truck in my sig, leaves me about 4200lbs of payload.

Luck ducky.

F450.


2016 Sabre 36QBOK
2015 Ram 3500 CUMMINS