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Old 08-20-2016, 09:05 AM   #1
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An article on the EPA's new regulations for trucks of all sizes. I'm all for innovation in technology, but having traveled to places like China where they are so far behind, it seems fruitless to continue to try to make the US the savior of the world at the risk of business and having negligible impact globally.

Can't meet EPA's pricey truck rules? Just pay the fine | Washington Examiner

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Old 08-20-2016, 09:58 AM   #2
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Interesting article. Environmentalism is definitely the new religion and the US is the first to the alter.

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Old 08-20-2016, 11:42 AM   #3
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The problem with their reasoning is this:

The regulations that went into effect in 2010 (those that created the need for DEF and DPF) created both reliability problems and fuel mileage problems.

Two examples:

I have a 2001 Peterbilt with a CAT engine that currently has 1.7 million miles on it. The only major repair was a trans and clutch at 1 mm miles. Currently gets an average of 7.2 MPG at 80,000 lbs

Also have a 2010 Peterbilt with a CAT, needed an engine rebuild ("in frame") at 510k miles and averages right at 6 MPG.

One more, 2013 Volvo (with Volvo engine) with "after treatment system" repairs every 100k miles or so. 5.7 MPG

So the problem isn't just with the increased cost of a new truck but also with the additional repair and maintenance costs. The difference between the trucks MPG may not seem like a lot but we're running 94 trucks fleet wide and a difference of even 1 MPG is a huge burden to the company's bottom line.

Only now, with our 2014-2016 trucks are we seeing some increased reliability with the after treatment systems but no increase in fuel efficiency. Essentially it has taken engine manufacturers 5+ years to get the after treatment systems up to a decent (I didn't say acceptable) standard, at the cost of trucking companies. Now we'll deal with it all over again with these new regulations. Makes it hard to make any money.
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