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Old 02-15-2016, 12:49 PM   #21
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One last thing, the recommended longer Wherlbase TV helps with towing stability. Shorter wheelbases can get pushed around more easily by side winds and passing trucks. Also plan to upgrade to E rated LT tires to help with toeing stability. They give a rougher tide than P tires but the sidewall flex in a P tire make towing tougher as you float on the road more.
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Here is a good chart and info on the Chevy vehicles

https://www.chevrolet.com/content/da...ring-Guide.pdf

I have towed a 5000lb Boy Scout trailer with a 1500 Suburban (2013) and 4 people plus gear 4500 miles in one trip. Manged to take Loveland Pass on cruise control (up and down) without any issues/concerns.

With the Boy Scout trailer sway control is not a big issue (it's small and heavy) so it was a 2 5/16 ball hitch (500lb tongue weight) . A large trailer is a much bigger "sail" so the hitch and sway control is more significant.

*I work for GM, but do not represent GM in my posting (not high enough level to speak for GM).
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Old 02-15-2016, 01:19 PM   #23
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Do not get a 1/2 ton. Plus I think most SUVs are built on 1/2 frames unless you buy one of the big boys and they may be as well.
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Old 02-15-2016, 01:23 PM   #24
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Thank you everyone for the continued feedback! There has been some really hopeful items provided. Trans Cooler modification! and the etrailer article, thanks asquared! Couple of notes to add...

I will definitely increase my estimate of 500 to at least 650 for people and things in the TV, and I also like the tip to place items in the TT to accommodate for payload restrictions of the TV. I absolutely need a Large SUV and not Full sized because of length and fitting it my garage.

Finally, agreed that WDH does not increase payload, simply my question was does is affect Tongue Weight. It seems the consensus is that it really doesn't and I should continue to estimate of 10-15% of the trailer weight. Right now I am at 6k Dry and with about 1k cargo, I am thinking GVW of TT will be around 7K, which should be estimated at 700 to 1000 lbs tongue weight. I am planning to have a friend help me take the TV to weight station to make sure this is all correct before purchasing the SUV. Sound logical?
As far as "Payload" yes a WD hitch does affect your tongue weight. If your TT weighs 750lbs at the tongue, you need to add at least 100 lbs for what the hitch and bars weigh as those are going directly on the tongue, thereby increasing your tongue weight 100lbs.....as far as your "payload" numbers are concerned. It's like carrying an extra little person, or a large dog. It pushes the weight forward, but it's still part of your gross weight ON the vehicle.
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Consider a full size passenger van instead of an SUV. I went with the Nissan NVP SL. $15,000+ LESS than a nicely equipped SUV. The SL has the 8 cyl, full leather, 12 seats you can configure how you want, front seat warmers, Navigation system, nice radio/sirius/CD, tinted windows, the engine is under a full hood so it is like working on a regular truck with no compromise to interior foot space, it rides nice, full tow package with 8700lb tow capacity, heat ducts in the floor, AC in the roof, rear climate and individual driver/passenger controls...yada, yada, yada. I settled for something else two years ago and finally just went and bought one a few weeks ago. I don't like having to store extra seats but that is the only downside so far. I knew it would not be great on gas but neither are Suburban or Excursions and I start out with over $15k in my pocket to put towards gas. You can get a 2016 for $37,500 to $38,500 regardless of what the sticker says if you stand your ground. Ford is now competing but costs quite a bit more and not as nice. Good luck with your search.
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LOVE my '06 Suburban 2500 8.1! Plan on keeping it for years. Searched hard in 2010 to find a nice one.

I'm not saying you need a 2500, but I've learned the extra capacity is very comforting. Have fun!
Yep ya better don't know when Chevy or GMC will make another 2500. Later RJD
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Consider a full size passenger van instead of an SUV. I went with the Nissan NVP SL. $15,000+ LESS than a nicely equipped SUV. The SL has the 8 cyl, full leather, 12 seats you can configure how you want, front seat warmers, Navigation system, nice radio/sirius/CD, tinted windows, the engine is under a full hood so it is like working on a regular truck with no compromise to interior foot space, it rides nice, full tow package with 8700lb tow capacity, heat ducts in the floor, AC in the roof, rear climate and individual driver/passenger controls...yada, yada, yada. I settled for something else two years ago and finally just went and bought one a few weeks ago. I don't like having to store extra seats but that is the only downside so far. I knew it would not be great on gas but neither are Suburban or Excursions and I start out with over $15k in my pocket to put towards gas. You can get a 2016 for $37,500 to $38,500 regardless of what the sticker says if you stand your ground. Ford is now competing but costs quite a bit more and not as nice. Good luck with your search.
37k for a van? You can get a nice used diesel CC 3/4 ton for that.
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Although, I don't think it's been declared why the OP wants/needs an SUV, I think most of us assume it's because of seating 3 or more kids and/or pets. Sure you may get them to fit in a truck (possibly), but long hauls are not comfortable for anyone. (if the kids aren't comfortable, momma isn't comfortable, and if momma isn't comfortable ... well you know). I think a van would be a viable option to an SUV. I know GM "was" putting Dmax's in utility vans, but that's what upfitters usually buy when customizing. Can't say for sure if they actually exist in the customized market or not, but may be worth a look. Could be pricey, but a loaded out Yukon/Suburban is $70k+. I like wlknthewoods' suggestion of the Nissan also.
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37k for a van? You can get a nice used diesel CC 3/4 ton for that.
But Mike I didn't get a "used" van. I got a new one and I get to put every mile on it and know exactly how it has been maintained. The SL is a 3500. It's basically a Titan with a box and having owned several pickup trucks, my NVP offers all the amenities plus additional interior space for much less money. So....as an alternative to an SUV, it works very well.
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Although they aren't offered to the public anymore, only to fleet and government, I have had 2500 Suburbans and Yukon XL's since 1996. Look around for a good used one, and I think you'll be happy. We like them for the extra seating, ride and handling. Currently we've got a 2013 Rockwood, 8315BSS, towing with a 2010 GMC Yukon XL, 2500. No problems.

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