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[Chuck_S]

Enterprise in Indiana (Muncy?) leases Ford and Ram 350-size pickups to Hotshot truckers. Mainly non-CDL truckers with 40 foot flatbed trailers. New trucks and they call the lease in at 60,000 miles and sell the trucks. Probably already fitted with a 5th wheel coupler. Trucks have been serviced by them the entire 10 month (or less) lease period. Full service history. Lease contract is something like 22¢/mile with a 6000 mile monthly minimum so the trucks will have that many miles but less than a year old.

[TheWolfPaq82]

Originally Posted by frank4711

I agree on the 3/4 diesel being able to handle with no problem just depends on if OP wants to worry about what payload # is ... many will be fine not all ... just sold my 1st 5th wheel and owner has a brand new GMC Duramax diesel and I got a peek at his door sticker payload 2135 lbs with that 5th wheel he will be a little over payload and 3000 lbs under max tow ....

He's kinda like me, I haven't looked at a payload number in all my years of towing TT's...35 years now.

[Tundra 2014]

If considering a used diesel, make sure you have a qualified mechanic check it out. I found I was able to get a new diesel for about $3k more than they were wanting for the same truck w/ 40K miles. Figure 10K minimum if you have to replace the Diesel engine in any of the big three. I did not feel it was worth the risk to trust that the previous owner had done all the maintiance on the diesel. I found a 2018 F-350, offered $59,000, they sold it for $59,800. I bought a 2019 F-350 Lariat for $62,200 after rebates. One thing I highly recommend is the BLIS system, or lanechange alarm. The Ford allows you to put your trailer length in and it alerts you if someone is at the space you are moving to. I had it on my last truck, and will not have a TV w/o it.

[mopwr4me2003]

I’ve e been looking at the new 2020 2500-3500 and they are nice and really are not priced terrible. Yes there are little to no discounts on them yet but still one to consider looking at. I am pretty much set on the new gasser when we buy being it’s a little more power all around than previous models and also a little higher payload for the new model 2500. I also have decided to go with the gasser just cause of how much we are able to travel (due to work)as a family with the TT. We both work full time and still have 15+ years to go before retirement talk. So for that reason I opted out of the hassle of the diesel and extra cost for it for now. Probably will consider one in the future though. As for chevy you can get some real good deals on remaining 2019 in stock. With the new body engines and tranny (on the diesels) styles coming out the dealers are looking to get rid of the 2019 stock pretty quick.

[67L48]

When navigating the 1 ton vs 3/4 ton question, I'd start with the reverse: why not the 1 ton? That is, the 1 ton will always give more capacity. So, what is it about the 1 ton that, when buying new (and you can literally get anything you want), you'd opt not to get it?

That's not meant to be a rhetorical question that pushes everyone to get a 1 ton. Not at all. There are plenty of good reasons to opt for the 3/4 ton. However, fewer than half of the reasons I see people employ end up fitting that category.

Someone above mentioned that he had never paid any attention to Payload/GVWR of his truck. While I'm sure that's accurate, I don't believe that this is in any way good advice to give when discussing towing.

Get the right tool for the job. That might be a gas 3/4 ton. It might be a diesel 1 ton. It might be some other combination. Figure 1,500 pin weight at least and another 1,000 lbs of hitches, gear, and people. So, 2,500 lbs of payload would be a good target.

Good luck and have fun with your shopping. I like GMC trucks ... I like the Denali grille.

[ronheater70]

Your gonna be probably near 10K or even north of it when ready to camp. I had a camper with similar weights and I also had a 2016 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi gas Engine. I was not happy with that weight and the performance of the gas engine towing it. Now GM will act slightly different, is geared slightly different, has slightly different hp and torque numbers etc.. So maybe it will suit you. However I traded for a Ram 2018 3500 CTD and even bought a new fifth wheel. Now I'm in the 12300 range and I can pull that weight even on minor hills in 6th gear at 1700 RPMS.. I like it much better. That being said I feel that 10K -11K pounds is the magic number for gas to diesel (for me).. I mean I see 1/2 tons rated to tow 11.5K now and I just don't see how that is gonna happen on the regular.

[jrk341]

When I was shopping for a new truck I was looking at the F250/350 diesel. Building both trucks on Ford.com and putting the high capacity trailer tow package on the F250 and all other options the same on both trucks the F350 was $45 dollars more. Made sense to go F350 and that's what I ended up with. Good luck with you purchase.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by rp53

OK, i know this is a volatile post, looking at buying a 5er dry weight ( i know through that out ASAP) 8700 lb pin weight 1275 length is 34 feet. going to have to upgrade the TV only interested in GM products, would you get a 3/4 ton or 1 ton for this 5er. also would you go with Gas or diesel. whatever we buy it will be used i really can't see investing 50 to 60+ in a new truck

Here is a brand new crew cab 4x4 that would tow that just fine for $36,000
https://www.davesmith.com/new/Ram/20...1c07939bde.htm

Oh yeah, GM only... well $39 then and all the ulgy for free
https://www.davesmith.com/new/Chevro...af08da3a39.htm

I wouldn't go 6.0 GM gas with that big of a trailer

[mopwr4me2003]

Here are some numbers from a dealership we visited today. We looked at the 2020, 2500 6.6 gasser Silverado LT model with 17in wheels, middle of the line options and no 5th wheel prep or spray in bed liner. Just food for thought. Hope this helps in your decision making.

[Hersbird]

Looks like new $40,000 2020 2500 gas gm will pull that trailer just fine. 2400 pounds on the pin and leaves another 1000 pounds in additional payload available on a 15,000 pound 5th wheel.

[rp53]

Thanks for the info

[Mad Cow]

I might have missed it in this thread, but the new 6.6L gasser in the 2020 2500/3500 pickups should not be overlooked. 401HP and 464 Torque.

I recently saw a video where someone in Oregon bought one and was yanking around 12K of trailer and track loader up in the high country. They got it for roughly $40K.

[CincyGus]

After towing with Gas all my life and last year switching to a diesel, I won't be going back to gas any time soon if I'm hauling 8000 plus lbs. The engine braking and hill assist are worth the difference in price alone in my opinion. The extra HP and torq to get it rolling make it a no brainer for me. I feel safer and more in control traveling hills and mountains than I ever had in my life and I'm pretty sure I would have different feeling in the gasser.

[mopwr4me2003]

Originally Posted by Mad Cow

I might have missed it in this thread, but the new 6.6L gasser in the 2020 2500/3500 pickups should not be overlooked. 401HP and 464 Torque.



I recently saw a video where someone in Oregon bought one and was yanking around 12K of trailer and track loader up in the high country. They got it for roughly $40K.

The one that I posted the info for was around $48k.

[Mad Cow]

Originally Posted by mopwr4me2003

The one that I posted the info for was around $48k.

Was that $48K MSRP?

[mopwr4me2003]

Originally Posted by Mad Cow

Was that $48K MSRP?

No that was the drop tag. I think MSRP was around $50k. The dealer said there are no rebates or incentives yet but to wait till October or November. I did see the work truck level right around $41k

[Mad Cow]

Originally Posted by mopwr4me2003

No that was the drop tag. I think MSRP was around $50k. The dealer said there are no rebates or incentives yet but to wait till October or November. I did see the work truck level right around $41k

There are always incentives. Dealers always have some form of incentives under the counter that they keep from the consumer. He just stated there are none he wants to share with you. And MSRP is a fluid number that really doesn't mean anything.

Even NADA is showing selling prices of $43K from an MSRP of $48K for an LT CC standard bed. So there is indeed some wiggle room.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by Mad Cow

There are always incentives. Dealers always have some form of incentives under the counter that they keep from the consumer. He just stated there are none he wants to share with you. And MSRP is a fluid number that really doesn't mean anything.

Even NADA is showing selling prices of $43K from an MSRP of $48K for an LT CC standard bed. So there is indeed some wiggle room.

There are no incentives, but there is their markup from invoice and the hold back designed to offset lot fees and financing. On a $48k Chevy its probably about $6500 total. Talk them down to a $500 profit and get the truck for $42k or wait because there will be rebates for sure after it's been out awhile and get it for even less.

[Mad Cow]

I would wait anyway since it is a new engine in the 2500/3500 series. Let the bugs get all worked out and see how good it really is unless one enjoys being a test mole for a new design.

[Hersbird]

Its not really a new motor, just the same LS that has been out since 1995. That is a beautiful thing IMO, no reason to change something good.