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Old 05-12-2016, 08:36 PM   #11
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Talked to folks that installed the B&W today. They said there is a height adjustment up and down, but no way to move it forward. Or back.

I just don't get this. Everyone else that has this setup........even those with LESS truck......have few, or zero, problems. This thing beat me to death on bumpy roads.

I repeat........but I can't see anything else to do other than air bags. If that doesn't help, I'm lost....... and btw, "I can't tell it's back there" is a long gone thing. This is heavy! I pull fine, it goes up all grades......but accelerating with this thing behind me is a slow proposition.

Oh......on the trail air.............they did have to add air before I left. But it went up to the top of the arrows saying "Inflate to this point". Now it's a bit below that. I wonder if I can inflate above those arrows and it might matter?

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Old 05-12-2016, 09:10 PM   #12
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I think, CWSwine may be right with bouncing off the overloads. My Ford dually does it around 2500 pin weight. Heavier is fine. Lighter is fine. Right around there is pure misery. I added airbags and cured the issue, but I bought the dually in hopes I wouldn't need bags. Wrong! New trailer is a little lighter on the pin but I still air the bags up to 30-35 psi.

You say your truck tells you how level it is riding---and it says 0 when hitched up. Where does it read empty?

The B&W side arms can be mounted forward or backward to move the head, which orientation are yours in?

Lastly hit a scale and see what your weights really are. Maybe something really goofy will show up.

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Old 05-12-2016, 11:08 PM   #13
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Which B&W do you have?

Otherwise, your experience matches mine for the most part. I know I'm pin light at right around 17% (3,000 lbs.).

Nothing I've done has helped- air pin box and shocks on the trailer.

I'm seriously considering either Bilstein shocks the truck and/or air bags.

We hit some bridges and pert near hit our heads on the roof of the cab.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:49 PM   #14
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I witnessed a Dodge 3500 Dually pulling a big 5er. He hit the approach to a bridge at interstate hwy speeds and darn near launched the thing into orbit on rebound after it bottomed out. I'm thinking this is a common issue.

P.S. This is just what I saw, not a comment on Dodge. I'm guessing brand had nothing to do with it.
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Old 05-13-2016, 05:30 AM   #15
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I pull a Cedar Creek 34 RLSA (35'8"). Due to the shorter 5er., I think the pin weight may be a little more than the longer trailers, never have weighed it. I pull it with a 2015 Chevy 3500 SRW 6' 6" standard bed, B&W Turnover with Companion. Pin box is TrailAir I keep inflated about 88#. My ride is very smooth even on most rough roads (EXCEPT the 16 miles on I-65 through Birmingham, AL-nothing will ride smooth through that stretch of road).

BandJCarm, you should not need air bags on that 3500 Dually pulling a CC 36 CKTS. You may end up getting even more bounce with the air bags. I am thinking your 36 CKTS may be a little lighter on the pin than mine plus you have a longer truck bed that mine.

You may be able to shift some weight forward of the axle, a little, with the B&W pivot arms ( I know B&W said you can't ). You will see in my photo mine is set to actually bring the front of the 5er., back a little due to me having a 6'6" bed. May try to flip the B&W Pivot arms around and see what happens.

On the TrailAir, I can inflate mine to the tip of the arrow when parked in my drive "almost" level, move the rig a few feet down the drive, check it and it is below the tip of the arrow. Check it at the end of the drive and it may be a little above the tip of the arrow. Seems to me that every time I move the rig a little, the position of the shock on the TrailAir changes a little. Good luck, hope you can work this out to get a smooth ride before you invest in air bags.

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Old 05-13-2016, 06:05 AM   #16
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I have a couple goose neck trailer, dump, flatbed. I had the same problem even when at Max weight. 10 ton of dump trailer and it road horribly. Truck did not say but I was just off the overloads. I was bouncing off them when I hit bumps. Put air bags on and problem solved. I also have drw, quad cab, long bed dodge. For a quick experiment fill water jugs or get sand bags and fill the bed till you are on the overloads. See if that helps
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Old 05-13-2016, 08:13 AM   #17
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I APPRECIATE ALL THIS! You guys are great. Sometimes when I feel alone with an issue, I get great info here.

A) A friend suggested I MIGHT have trailer brakes grabbing. That's a thought! But, I got 10.5 mpg average on 700 mile trip, which seems pretty fair. Doesn't seem that would be that high if brakes grabbing. Thoughts??

B) It hit me on the way home that all the talk here about brand of truck is overrated. IF (big IF) you are talking a 3500 truck and IF you are talking a 15,000 lb 5'er, or so, it isn't going to make one whit of difference whether you have a Chevy, Ford, or Fiat truck (sorry, can't resist). They will all pull that camper. One is rated higher here, another one there. Everyone is chauvinistic about trucks, but brand doesn't matter. SIZE DOES! In life, size always matters! Anyone pulling what I pulled with a 1/2 ton truck is crazier than my Aunt Bessie. That is an OPINION. I wish I had a Kenworth, to be honest.

C) I just got a small 'largesse' from the deal where tree fell on our farm house. I think I am going to just bite the bullet and have air bags put in. The place that did the hitch sells them, $450 plus $175 install charge. I am going to always wish I did have them, and I'll spend this money on wine, women, and song if I don't. I am concerned how that will affect my non-trailering ride.......

D) On the questions above........the truck says "level" either hitched or unhitched. Sorta makes me wonder if it's accurate, but that's what it says.

Not sure how to adjust the B&W Companion hitch.........but the guys who put it in said bring it by and let them look at it. Their location is NOT conducive to a big rig (odd for such a business!) but I'll try and get it there.

I have the same issue with the arrows on the TrailAir. Seem to move on me.....not sure why. Do they notoriously leak air? How far can I overload it? There's no gauge, nor any recommendation as to lbs of air that is optimal.

I KNOW I need to weigh it and the truck to figure it out. I just got it, but I will. Time is not my friend. I leave in one hour for 2 weeks in Colorado (no trailer). I camp for 2 weeks in June in South Carolina. Then Goshen. In between a camping trip with wife's uncle. WHEW! But somehow I'll make time to weigh it, maybe July (?).

I will be offline till about Sunday or Monday. I'll check back for more answers then. Thank you guys SO much! This (and the hot water issue) are the only 'serious' things wrong. And both MUST get addressed. This one MAY end up just 'I have to live with it', and if so fine. But I want to know the facts first.

Thanks again.

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Old 05-13-2016, 09:15 AM   #18
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On airing up the Trail Air do you do it while hooked up or unhooked from the truck? I always air mine up when hooked up and the weight is on the hitch, unhooked might cause to much air in the bag. Just thinking out loud here, good luck.
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Old 05-13-2016, 09:38 AM   #19
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Only when hooked up....
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Old 05-13-2016, 10:11 AM   #20
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I noticed to have a GM vehicle. I had some similar issues with bounce on my 3/4 but towing a tt. I installed the Timbrens which are easy to install and got rid of a lot of the bonce. Also a lot cheaper than air bag system. Later RJD

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