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Old 07-15-2014, 08:38 AM   #31
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Let's take it easy here. We have different ideas on what is best, but this thread is not be be taken as argumentative, and differently keep the flame throwing out of the mix, or this thread will be closed with some possible warnings issued.

I am also going to flag the thread as a "hot topic".
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Old 07-15-2014, 08:46 AM   #32
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Wow. I'm beside myself.

My personal opinion and not to be construed as pushing my own beliefs on anyone is.......heat kills parts. Manuals don't create heat...caveated with a good clutch that doesn't slip. Auto's create heat. They will eventually fail. With that being said...I now own an auto in a 1-ton truck and tow over #28,000 gross on occasion. Driving to work bobtail....I love the auto. Towing a trailer....I'm on the fence. Exhaust brake or not, there is never as much control over speed as there is with a manual. Fluid coupling makes heat. Heat makes broke parts.

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Old 07-15-2014, 09:11 AM   #33
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My last vacation- just 3 weeks ago- we spent 4 hours traveling less than
140 miles on the interstate. That's average speed of 35.
Many, many times it was stop and go with lots of stop.
We crept along at less than 10 MPH over and over.
The entire day was over 8 hours grueling hours on the road.
I am very glad I didn't have a stick shift.

I know how to drive a stick. I used to drive a 10 ton IH loadstar with a gear
jamming NON-syncronized tranny that had to be double clutched to
shift without grinding. It also had a 2 speed rear end.
I can do it.
I choose not to.
It also had manual steering and I had a city delivery route.
I'll take my power steering thank you very much.

Stick shifts only give better mileage IF YOU SHIFT EARLY.
Check the mpg ratings on cars or trucks with auto or stick option.
It's often better with the auto tranny.

Please don't call me lazy.
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Old 07-15-2014, 09:17 AM   #34
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Check the mpg ratings on cars or trucks with auto or stick option. It's often better with the auto tranny.
Under the same exact conditions, I would disagree; however, since the average consumer doesn't shift at the optimal RPM in a manual most of the time, I would agree with your statement since the auto is programmed to do it as efficiently as possible. It still has more internal loss due to heat, friction, and torque conversion.

Now.....if you were to give me a 2-speed rear end for my Dodge and I could split shift it.....you dang skippy I'd have a manual again.
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Old 07-15-2014, 09:29 AM   #35
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As someone who's family owns over 400 concrete trucks, most, if not all, of which are automatics at this point, I'll take the autos over the manuals.
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:21 AM   #36
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With enough power at speed you don't have to worry about all the shifting.
That would work if you were pulling a lower percentage of the total vehicle capacity and the hills aren't too challenging. I'd guess that most people are pulling a substantial portion of their rated capacity.
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:42 AM   #37
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years ago I had a 12v 47RE, when I did the trans to hold BIG POWER in went a manual VB and a B&M click shifter, with a lock up switch. this thing was a hand full to drive fast. but was kind of fun banging gears..
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:50 AM   #38
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I prefer standard shifts for several reasons, and none of them have to do with an archaic sense of tool envy. The 6 speed in my truck does a better job of dealing with the forces of towing, accelerating, and engine braking than an auto does, no question. Not to mention its more bulletproof than most autos out there. The 6 speed in my VW is way more fun to drive than the auto or DSG equivalent (and I test drove both, the DSG even with paddle shifters,) and it gets better mileage. And the 6 speed in my Harley is a pure torque-distributing pleasure to shift. If they ever come out with an automatic transmission motorcycle, I'd say we've had it as a species.
Honda had an automatic in the 70's.....and our species somehow survived.

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Honda had an automatic in the 70's.....and our species somehow survived.
Moto Guzzi also had an automatic in late 1970s.
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That would work if you were pulling a lower percentage of the total vehicle capacity and the hills aren't too challenging. I'd guess that most people are pulling a substantial portion of their rated capacity.
I'm over my trailer towing rating and have no problems with my trucks needed to do a lot of shifting. They have the power where it's needed for towing.
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