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Old 07-29-2012, 07:26 PM   #11
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and don't think that a v-6 truck or SUV will get better gas mileage than a v-8.
newer v-8 trucks and SUVs get almost the same mpg as a smaller v-6 truck or SUV."

Interesting. Would that also be the case in day to day driving when not towing?
yes, i mean highway/town driving. towing mileage will vary little but the v-6 will work harder and use slightly more fuel.

without quoting numbers, compare the mileages between them. the newer v-8 engines that have the v-4 feature, can get highway mileage almost the same as the v-6 engines. this is on trucks/SUVs, not passenger cars.
for example, the Tahoe has an EPA highway mileage of 21mpg.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:30 PM   #12
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and don't think that a v-6 truck or SUV will get better gas mileage than a v-8.
newer v-8 trucks and SUVs get almost the same mpg as a smaller v-6 truck or SUV."
Interesting. Would that also be the case in day to day driving when not towing?
I don't know about every situation, but our 3/4 ton truck gets the same mileage empty towing nothing as when full and towing a heavy trailer. I suspect mileage has more to do with driving style (leadfoot) so long as the truck isn't struggling under the load.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:57 PM   #13
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Thanks for help to date with my TV struggles.

Looked at a new Nissan Frontier and Titan today. Think the Frontier might be a possible compromise to consider. Tows 6300 lbs, has a wheel base 126 inches for my 19 foot TT. Feels a bit like an SUV size wise but could satisfactorily tow my Surveyor 186 at 3000 lbs dry (maybe 4000 lightly loaded). Have read a couple of threads re Frontier towing larger TT (not recommended). But given towing capacity of 6300 it should pull my 19 foot TT OK? Gas mileage should be better for day to day use and purchase price of course is lower.

Any thoughts, feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Probably no yellow sticker since the original post states "Purchased our 2009 Surveyor SP-186 last week." He found the empty weight in a cabinet, which is not correct. Propane and battery, 100 pounds, awning, another 75 or more. Spare tire??? And also as stated, what has the precious owner done??

Tow with a truck, with a V8 engine, especially if headed for the Rockies. Anything else while it might do it, will be hard on it. V8's usually have a better trans, and easier to find one with a towing package if shopping for used. They don't really burn that much more gas when not towing than a V6. If your budget is that tight, sounds like you can't afford campground fees, so you will also need to add the weight of fresh water to carry while "dry" camping.
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we used our ford windstar last year for a 6000 km trip towing a 2400 lb(dry) 21ft tt.

much lighter than what you are considering

i wouldnt want to pull anymore than that with a minivan. handling was fine, breaking was perfect but accelerating on a highway on ramp was slow, uphills were slow but i kept engine speed below 3000 rpm and let the van do what it could without a lot of shifting gears. i also shifted manually to keep engine speed within 3000rpm on long uphills

a couple of long upgrades were at 70 kph(stay with the semi's)

any heavier a trailer? no way
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:19 PM   #16
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Thanks for help to date with my TV struggles.

Think the Frontier might be a possible compromise to consider. Gas mileage should be better for day to day use
o.k., not sure if you really read my post about comparing mpg between the v-6 trucks and v-8 trucks. here's just comparing the Frontier to the Chevy:

Frontier crewcab v-6:
4x2- 15/20
4x4- 14/19

Chevy Silverado crewcab v-8
4x2- 15/21
4x4- 15/21

the Chevy with a comparable tow package, can tow 9600lbs. and can seat 6 adults.

i found this out back in 2006. there's NO advantage of buying a v-6 truck/SUV over a newer v-8 truck/SUV, if you're comparing gas mileage.
plus you get way more tow capacity and interior room and stabler tow vehicle.

the Chevy is actually rated for more highway mileage than the smaller, lighter Frontier.
you'll find similar results with other of the newer v-8 truck brands. in fact, the Dodge Ram with the Hemi, is rated for the same highway mileage as the Frontier.
the Titan is a poor choice to compare to the Frontier. it gets the worst gas mileage of any v-8 truck. Nissan nor Toyota have kept up with the big 3 in v-8 technology when it comes to gas mileage.
a good friend has a Titan and constantly complains about his gas mileage.

i guess there's one advantage to the Frontier, it can fit in a tighter parking space.
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I have a 19ft hybrid and i pulled it with a ford explorer sport trac, v-6 , it pulled the trailer no problem but the rev's were up around 4000 when going up hills, plus the truck was narrow and hard to see what was behind me.. i have bought a ford f 150 v-8 5.4 litre and pulls the camper no problem and crusing at 60 only revs at 2200 and that is with the over drive off, i am glad i got the bigger truck and i use it every day and i get 17 litres to a 100 kms
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o.k., not sure if you really read my post about comparing mpg between the v-6 trucks and v-8 trucks. here's just comparing the Frontier to the Chevy:

Frontier crewcab v-6:
4x2- 15/20
4x4- 14/19

Chevy Silverado crewcab v-8
4x2- 15/21
4x4- 15/21

the Chevy with a comparable tow package, can tow 9600lbs. and can seat 6 adults.

i found this out back in 2006. there's NO advantage of buying a v-6 truck/SUV over a newer v-8 truck/SUV, if you're comparing gas mileage.
plus you get way more tow capacity and interior room and stabler tow vehicle.

the Chevy is actually rated for more highway mileage than the smaller, lighter Frontier.
you'll find similar results with other of the newer v-8 truck brands. in fact, the Dodge Ram with the Hemi, is rated for the same highway mileage as the Frontier.
the Titan is a poor choice to compare to the Frontier. it gets the worst gas mileage of any v-8 truck. Nissan nor Toyota have kept up with the big 3 in v-8 technology when it comes to gas mileage.
a good friend has a Titan and constantly complains about his gas mileage.

i guess there's one advantage to the Frontier, it can fit in a tighter parking space.
Yes I did read your post and it was enlightening. I was in fact comparing the Frontier to the Titan mileage and the Frontier mileage specs are 10% better. Quite right, not really a significant difference. I think I like the smaller "form" of the Frontier as an around town vehicle having never owned a truck before. Also there is a price differential to get those nice higher tow #'s in a 1/2 ton.

I will mention again we are quite serious about travelling light (is there a separate sub forum for that?). Intend to replace 2 propane 30lb tanks with one 20lb propane tank if feasible, drive with empty holding tanks except when crossing the prairies. We have back packed with total gear under 75 lbs for 2 people so can't imagine a lot of cargo to carry in our TT. All our gear is ultralight. We just are occassional minimalists and hence my interest in whether the Frontier or similar could be adequate.

Anyway this all is very helpful. I am a way more educated now and will take some time to consider all factors. Also will keep eyes open for a used TV and feel I'm in a better position to make a quick decision if I see something good.

Thanks again.
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Having read all of the above posts, you would be better served with a
1/2 ton, pickup, Chev, Ford or Dodge. You will not be near the limits for towing
and the MPG will be better all around. I am from Texas were all real men drive pickups! just kiddin

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What year Frontier did you look at? Did you drive it? The reason I ask is that we bought an '07 Frontier 2 wheel drive crew cab one time to make it easier for my wife to park than our quad cab short bed Ram. We test drove it and it was a really nice small truck. First trip to Wal-mart and trying to pull into a spot , it came badly clear that it would not turn as sharp as our big truck. Just make sure you drive a few different trucks and sizes. Might want to test drive a few mid-sized SUV's. I think our Jeep Grand Cherokee had a 7'000# tow rating. There are others that I'm sure are capable.
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