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Continuing to do research. My motorhome was so much easier!


"Towed a 30' Nomad TT with a 96 GMC 1/2 ton (5.7/3.73) for 7 years. We took trips all over the country. We were right at the upper limits of the truck but we did fine. Our first long trip introduced us to sway. After this we bought a Hensley. Money well spent with no regrets"

"Hi i think its funny when people get on the hype of 1/2 ton
pickups, they should do their home work, i pull a wilderness 280bhs
6800lb with a dodge ram 1500 392 rear axle. that being said dodge 1/2
ton and 3/4 ton trucks share the same brakes,worked for dodge 20yrs.
just use your common sense and you'll be ok i have thousands of miles
towing with 1/2 ton trucks"

"I towed a 33' travel trailer with a 1/2 ton pickup truck for a full season which included a trip from central Ohio to Maine and back. I was under every weight rating for my truck according to the scales when I weighed it fully loaded to go camping. The ONLY time I was worried was when I was going downhill and had a sudden (it was sudden because I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been) left corner popped up in front of me. I could "feel" the trailer trying to push the back end of my pickup truck a little sideways as I went around the corner.
Would I do it again? Yes, but that incident was always in the back of my mind."

"I tow with a 34 ft. TT with a ˝ ton. I am about 400 pounds under the total gross weight allowed for the vehicle and 600 pounds under the TT gross weight. We traveled 7k miles last year, a lot of it through the Eastern Mountains with no problems. TV has 130” wheelbase and is AWD. One panic stop when a deer ran in front of us in PA. I believe if you stay within the specifications of the TT & TV, use a good anti-sway hitch & good brake controller there should be no issues. I have been towing various kinds of trailers all my life and only once owned a truck over 1/2 ton. This argument will never end. You need to do what is comfortable & best for you."

"Old schoolers are right when they say that 3/4 ton vehicles tow better than 1/2 tons. With that said, if you have a newer 1/2 ton with a large V8 and 3.73 gears or higher, you can safely tow a pretty big trailer. In the coming years, you're going to see the industry shift to light weight trailers and 1/2 ton tow vehicles. Owning a 3/4 or 1 ton tow vehicle is a luxury, and the future campers of America are not going to be able to rationalize that luxury as much as we've seen in the past. Ford's 2012 (projected) 1/2 tons are going be capable of pulling of 12,500lbs or more. That, coupled with higher quality light weight trailers is the future of the travel trailer lifestyle. Count on it."

"We tow a Sunline 276SR with our 1500 Ram using an Equalizer hitch. It is right at 30' from the ball to the bumper and the weights are about the same as you are talking about."

"The question is not would the 3/4 ton pull better. I have no doubt that you are correct. The question is do you need a 3/4 ton to pull the Spree (or other lightweight, 1/2 ton designed trailer) safely and with acceptable performance? The answer to that is no; a 1/2 ton truck or large SUV will meet the bill for the OP. As bobbyg indicates, the car and RV industries are moving away from the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. I would not be surprised in the next decade to see those vehicles offered only through special order, possibly with restrictions based on verifiable need such as farming or other heavy duty requirements."

"We tow a 32" Prowler TT which when loaded weighs in at 7800 lbs. Our tow vehicle is an 07' Ford F-150 Supercrew short box with the tow package and 3.73 rear end and the Triton 5.4L engine. It handles very well, and sway isn't an issue. Sure, we don't fly up the hills, but we can keep up to traffic flow. Proper weight distribution in the trailer is important. Stay under the speed limit and allow plenty of stopping room. Also get a GOOD brake controller, this forum has some great advice on them, and don't be afraid to use the trailer brakes. Certainly a 3/4 ton can give you more power and maneuverability, but we've really been pleased with our 1/2 ton and this TT. Towing the lighter Spree should be a breeze for you. Have fun!"

"I once saw a member here post in no less than 4 different RV forums until he got the answer he wanted - still happens from time to time here... And people will find a way to justify anything when it's what they want - it's called human nature "

"If you plan on winning a race while towing and working the lanes through traffic like an ambulance then you are best to consider a truck built more like a tank. On the other hand if you plan to do 55 to save a few bucks on fuel, are in no hurry to pass, won't sweat the line up behind you going up the hill and will buy a WDH for those windy open stretches and good handling, you will be just fine.
Towing is partially about attitude. I have a good friend that is embarrassed if he has a line up behind on a hill climb and would rather stomp on the accelerator and burn the fuel than be the guy that annoys folks for even one minute. I, on the other hand, think the highway is not a motor speedway and unless there is an actual ambulance on my tail (for which I will pull over) I think I am teaching folks a lesson in patience. "

"You all do know that a light or ultralight 30' trailer can weight THOUSANDS of pounds less than a 24' regular trailer right?"

"I pulled a 19' trailer with my 1/2 ton Suburban. Then went to a 32' lightweight trailer and pulled it with the same Suburban and an Equalizer hitch. The 32' actually pulled easier and smoother than the 19'. I am quite happy with my Suburban. I am even more happy that I don't have a 3/4 ton truck payment"

" I have a 2008 Chevy Silverado 1500 with the Vortex Max 6.0L and 3.73 gearing and pull a K-Z Spree 290 BHS which is around 30' and have had no problems towing it. Our truck seeems to have plenty of power to accelerate on the freeways,etc. and I am happy with the way it tows, the gas mileage could be better but you can't have everything. "

"I to fall in the class of towing a 30' with a half ton. You really need to watch the total weight. I have not had any problems towing my TT. We go a bit slow up hills, but I can deal with it. If you use your truck as a daily driver there are many things to consider. I own my truck and replacing it at this point is out of the question. As for the bakes if the TT brakes and the controller are working properly there should not be a problem. One thing to keep in mind is that vehicles such as mid size trucks /SUV's and even some mini vans carry a 1/2 ton rating. That said I would only use a full size 1/2 ton for towing something that large. A good rule of thumb is to keep the loaded weight 1000lbs below the max tow capacity. "

"Try again,yes limits are just that,limits and there are people who disregard them.Then again some of the weight police belive that if you are to tow a pop up,you better be towing with a 1 ton dualy diesel and if you try anything less then you shouldn't be towing.I am one of those towing close,not over but close to the limits and do just fine.It is true that ever TT and TV combination is different so many people on both sides love to give his opinion and that is what it is,an opinion.Can't we all just get along. "

"i tow 6500 lbs all over the state of ohio and west virginia in the form of a 30' travel trailer with a ford f-150 5.4 tow package and a 3.55 gear ratio 30,000 miles no problems yet. "
Most of the comparisons above are to a half-ton pickup. All with wheelbases significantly greater than yours. Not just an inch or two, but in feet.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:14 PM   #42
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I sent this to the dealer who is selling me my 2014 Salem 262BHXL. I'm buying this sight unseen and see the response below...

(they won't let me bring in someone to check out the trailer)



Subject: Re: pictures of Salem
I wanted to set up a time when I can have a mechanic come in and inspect the trailer. I want him to do this prior to my PDI. That way if there is anything that needs fixing, it can done prior to my arrival/PDI.

Can he come on friday? The trailer will need the water tank full, propane full, and electric hooked up.


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Hi John,

Our PDI, IS the pre-delivery inspection and takes place prior to your delivery date. It is performed by a certified tech and we check and fix manufactures defects at that time. It is against company policy to allow outside contractors access to our inventory prior to purchase. The Salem is a new unit and comes with a 1 year warranty against manufacture’s defects. You can have him inspect it again, once you have purchased the unit if you like. If additional issues arise they most likely will be covered by your warranty.

My service department has also mentioned to me that they will need to order the electronic brake controller from Porsche. Without being able to check your vehicle themselves prior to delivery, they would be more comfortable if you could have the brake controller installed by Porsche prior to arriving. That way, if additional items are needed you will not be delayed by us having to order them. Let me know when you determine what date and time (morning or afternoon) will work best for you and I will schedule your delivery. (NOTE: we do not do deliveries on Sundays). I look forward to hearing from you.

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"If additional issues arise they most likely will be covered by your warranty."
this is right from your email above and wow if that isn't blowing smoke up our back side lol haven't even finished it and already stating in print, most likely will be covered wow
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I tow with your sister, a Tuareg it's a 2013TDI. I have had the hitch strengthened by an expert (Andrew Thompson Can-Am RV London Ontario) I also use a Hensley hitch which stops the tail wagging the dog so to speak, my trailer is 30ft and that VW with the Hensley tows it beautifully the is also the added advantage of far superior mileage. Moving on to the brake controller, you have to order a plug and two wires and the other end is hell to find, it is up under the left side of the dash, I used a Prodigy P3 and made up the harness so it just needed plugged in and had the Can-Am tech do it because I have a bad back.
I think the dealer was probably right and were reasonably diplomatic about it.
Your vehicle makes a great towing unit but like I said use either a Hensley or a Pro-Pride hitch to compensate for the short wheel base.
If you need to contact Can-Am their number is 18662262678 ask for Andy and explain what you are doing and he will let you know how to have it done.
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I tow with your sister, a Tuareg it's a 2013TDI. I have had the hitch strengthened by an expert (Andrew Thompson Can-Am RV London Ontario) I also use a Hensley hitch which stops the tail wagging the dog so to speak, my trailer is 30ft and that VW with the Hensley tows it beautifully the is also the added advantage of far superior mileage. Moving on to the brake controller, you have to order a plug and two wires and the other end is hell to find, it is up under the left side of the dash, I used a Prodigy P3 and made up the harness so it just needed plugged in and had the Can-Am tech do it because I have a bad back.
I think the dealer was probably right and were reasonably diplomatic about it.
Your vehicle makes a great towing unit but like I said use either a Hensley or a Pro-Pride hitch to compensate for the short wheel base.
If you need to contact Can-Am their number is 18662262678 ask for Andy and explain what you are doing and he will let you know how to have it done.
Great info.

I just got this from Camping World which supports what I said about a WDH on the cayenne:

"I had my service manager look into your vehicle set-up. The Porsche Cayenne has an airbag suspension system that does not require or allow a weight distribution hitch. Therefore it is not needed for your vehicle."

She did not go into an anti sway set up, but I'm waiting to hear back from her on that. She did want to send me to the OTHER camping world store to get the brake controller installed.

Can you give me further details about the hookup of the brake controller and wires? I found this and ordered one of these:

U-Haul: Moving supplies: LED Light Trailer Module

From the Cayenne forum, the audi/cayenne/toureg all have issues with trailer LED lights if you do not use one of these. This solves the issue. It has something to do with the TV reading each LED as in individual light, thus overstimulating the TV computer system.

I just found this little tidbit, but has to do with a 4 point connector, not a 7 point.
http://www.netwelding.com/Porsche_Cayenne.htm

This has lots of good products, not sure what is needed though.
http://www.carid.com/2006-porsche-cayenne-hitch-wiring/

http://www.amazon.com/Pollak-11-893P...ews/B000B6NQHW

http://www.celiamania.com/wordpress/?p=1306

http://www.etrailer.com/Custom-Fit-V...cleid=20065549


What mirror extenders do you use?
I'm thinking about a set of these:

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...w-mirror/74642

How heavy is your trailer?
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Great info.

I just got this from Camping World which supports what I said about a WDH on the cayenne:

"I had my service manager look into your vehicle set-up. The Porsche Cayenne has an airbag suspension system that does not require or allow a weight distribution hitch. Therefore it is not needed for your vehicle."
This to me reads: "You drive an expensive vehicle which we don't normally see. In order to save ourselves from potential liability due to Porsche not recommending WDH, we are sticking to that regardless of the potential outcome because we can always point to that in case something goes wrong."

My question would be to DDC above: Would you ever take your TT on the road without your WDH? I'll bet you will find the answer would be no. At least not for a trip. Maybe to the corner and back but not for a distance of any significance. Keep in mind this WDH he has is the top of the line. Why? Because he is towing something that is at the max range of his vehicle's capacities and he knows that. The best WDH all come with sway control.

You are considering sway control only? I don't even see how that would be possible with your setup. Once loaded you would probably have to get some of that hitch weight off the rear axle. Take a look at your sticker on your hitch and find out what the maximum tongue rating is. Because if you forgo the WDH, you aren't going to have any way to distribute that weight. We aren't talking a boat trailer here where hitch weights are extremely low.

Listen, some salespeople will sell you anything that your vehicle is capable of towing, regardless of your vehicle's capacities. Ever seen that Toyota commercial with the truck towing the Space Shuttle? Your vehicle can tow anything on the lot at the dealer that is a TT. But can it do so with your safety in mind? How about your vehicle's components and wear? And the safety of others around you on the road.

You seem to be into research so here you go: Common Weight Distribution and Sway Control Questions | etrailer.com
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My 2 cents...can't resist

1. Dealer within rights for sure
2. That's what warranty is for
3. Towing Limits: Let's not forget crafty corporate lawyers...you have an accident (your fault or not) and if even 1# over ratings guess what will happen to your coverage. (I'll give you 3 guesses but the first 2 don't count).
Sorry for brute force answers but this isn't a popularity contest, right? Best of luck with all!
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Great info.

I just got this from Camping World which supports what I said about a WDH on the cayenne:

"I had my service manager look into your vehicle set-up. The Porsche Cayenne has an airbag suspension system that does not require or allow a weight distribution hitch. Therefore it is not needed for your vehicle."

She did not go into an anti sway set up, but I'm waiting to hear back from her on that. She did want to send me to the OTHER camping world store to get the brake controller installed.

Can you give me further details about the hookup of the brake controller and wires? I found this and ordered one of these:

U-Haul: Moving supplies: LED Light Trailer Module

From the Cayenne forum, the audi/cayenne/toureg all have issues with trailer LED lights if you do not use one of these. This solves the issue. It has something to do with the TV reading each LED as in individual light, thus overstimulating the TV computer system.

I just found this little tidbit, but has to do with a 4 point connector, not a 7 point.
Untitled Document

This has lots of good products, not sure what is needed though.
2006 Porsche Cayenne Hitch Wiring at CARiD.com

http://www.amazon.com/Pollak-11-893P...ews/B000B6NQHW

Porsche Cayenne Trailer Hitch Electronic Harness – CeliaMania

Wiring by Curt for 2006 Cayenne - 56146KIT


What mirror extenders do you use?
I'm thinking about a set of these:

Dual-View Clip-On Tow Mirror - CIPA 11953 - Mirrors - Camping World

How heavy is your trailer?
1 I don't have LED lights on my trailer but I have read of issues with them so if your trailer has LEDS you will need this.

2 I am assuming that your porsche has the factory tow package, and, if so you will find the female plug for the brake control HIGH up on the let side behind the instrument panel it has four wires, I git this info at the time from the Touareg forum lots of info there Club Touareg - Volkswagen Touareg Owners Community
you will also find lots about towing with the auto leveling air system. Please do not tow without some kind of sway prevention

3 I am using these towing mirrors and they have been very good so far. JR Products 2912 Grand Aero Towing Mirror - Pair got them on amazon.com

4 My trailer's yellow sticker says 5000lbs, with the Hensley and all the gear I guess I'm around 6600 to 7000lbs.

Do a lot of reading in the touareg/porsche forum, there is a wealth of information on it from people who have already made mistakes and passed the information on.
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This to me reads: "You drive an expensive vehicle which we don't normally see. In order to save ourselves from potential liability due to Porsche not recommending WDH, we are sticking to that regardless of the potential outcome because we can always point to that in case something goes wrong."

My question would be to DDC above: Would you ever take your TT on the road without your WDH? I'll bet you will find the answer would be no. At least not for a trip. Maybe to the corner and back but not for a distance of any significance. Keep in mind this WDH he has is the top of the line. Why? Because he is towing something that is at the max range of his vehicle's capacities and he knows that. The best WDH all come with sway control.

You are considering sway control only? I don't even see how that would be possible with your setup. Once loaded you would probably have to get some of that hitch weight off the rear axle. Take a look at your sticker on your hitch and find out what the maximum tongue rating is. Because if you forgo the WDH, you aren't going to have any way to distribute that weight. We aren't talking a boat trailer here where hitch weights are extremely low.

Listen, some salespeople will sell you anything that your vehicle is capable of towing, regardless of your vehicle's capacities. Ever seen that Toyota commercial with the truck towing the Space Shuttle? Your vehicle can tow anything on the lot at the dealer that is a TT. But can it do so with your safety in mind? How about your vehicle's components and wear? And the safety of others around you on the road.

You seem to be into research so here you go: Common Weight Distribution and Sway Control Questions | etrailer.com
You are correct, I would not even attempt to move this without a proper hitch.
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This to me reads: "You drive an expensive vehicle which we don't normally see. In order to save ourselves from potential liability due to Porsche not recommending WDH, we are sticking to that regardless of the potential outcome because we can always point to that in case something goes wrong."

My question would be to DDC above: Would you ever take your TT on the road without your WDH? I'll bet you will find the answer would be no. At least not for a trip. Maybe to the corner and back but not for a distance of any significance. Keep in mind this WDH he has is the top of the line. Why? Because he is towing something that is at the max range of his vehicle's capacities and he knows that. The best WDH all come with sway control.

You are considering sway control only? I don't even see how that would be possible with your setup. Once loaded you would probably have to get some of that hitch weight off the rear axle. Take a look at your sticker on your hitch and find out what the maximum tongue rating is. Because if you forgo the WDH, you aren't going to have any way to distribute that weight. We aren't talking a boat trailer here where hitch weights are extremely low.

Listen, some salespeople will sell you anything that your vehicle is capable of towing, regardless of your vehicle's capacities. Ever seen that Toyota commercial with the truck towing the Space Shuttle? Your vehicle can tow anything on the lot at the dealer that is a TT. But can it do so with your safety in mind? How about your vehicle's components and wear? And the safety of others around you on the road.

You seem to be into research so here you go: Common Weight Distribution and Sway Control Questions | etrailer.com


The VW Toureg does not have the air suspension is my guess, thats why they have the WDH. I'm guessing that my air suspension compensates for the weight on the hitch and levels the TV out. In effect it does the same thing as a WDH.

The next question is can I have a sway system without the WDH. I guess I need to find out.

i somewhat disagree with your first statement. Porsche says don't do it, then you don't do it. Porsche says towing 7700 # is the max limit weight.
I doubt Camping World is looking for a liabliity excuse, they initially recommended the WDH because they did not know the specs on the Cayenne prior to trying to sell. Once they found out they corrected themselves.

Apparantly the Touareg does have an air suspension and it to is not recommended to utilize a WDH. This is the first post I'm reading off that forum. I will continue to read...

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f6...ion-34061.html
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The VW Toureg does not have the air suspension is my guess, thats why they have the WDH. I'm guessing that my air suspension compensates for the weight on the hitch and levels the TV out. In effect it does the same thing as a WDH.

The next question is can I have a sway system without the WDH. I guess I need to find out.

i somewhat disagree with your first statement. Porsche says don't do it, then you don't do it. Porsche says towing 7700 # is the max limit weight.
I doubt Camping World is looking for a liabliity excuse, they initially recommended the WDH because they did not know the specs on the Cayenne prior to trying to sell. Once they found out they corrected themselves.
So what does your hitch say? What is the max tongue weight? Because if Porsche says don't exceed that then I'm sure you won't dare. From what I've read online it is around 600# on the tow package.

From what I see you have 650# on the TT hitch weight unloaded. That is a factory number (known to be a little off) and is also without the weight of added hitch, separate sway (if not part of hitch system), battery, and LP. Also add in any weight forward of the TT axle not balanced by the same weight balanced to the rear of the TT axle for all of your gear. Something tells me that the numbers are going to be way high. But I'm sure you'll find a way to justify that. That's what happens when you purchase first and research second. Not being rude, just stating what I'm seeing here.
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