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Old 06-29-2013, 06:40 AM   #31
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Unfortunately the HD Payload Package is only available on XL and XLT Regular Cab and SuperCab models with 8' box and XL, XLT and Lariat SuperCrew with 6.5' box.

I have a shortbed (5 1/2') and a Platinum.
A little longer wheel base..yes..but a lot more payload also
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Old 06-29-2013, 08:01 AM   #32
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Even with the longer wheel base, it was not available with the Platinum.
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Old 06-29-2013, 05:52 PM   #33
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Even with the longer wheel base, it was not available with the Platinum.
Hmmm...Thats a shame.. i had only looked at and priced an XLT model.
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Old 06-29-2013, 06:33 PM   #34
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The max payload is the most it's going to be. Each option and fancy doo-dad on the truck comes off of that. Your payload is 1,581. It already has 321 pounds of crap added to deduct from that.
Hey, can I get a couple of doo-dad's? I think I'm couple short and have room in my new storage chest on the back. LOL
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Hey, can I get a couple of doo-dad's? I think I'm couple short and have room in my new storage chest on the back. LOL
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:58 PM   #36
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I just went to the CAT Scale with the truck (full tank of gas), 19RR Fully packed (which includes the Yamaha R1 (with a full tank of gas), Can-Am Spyder (with a full tank of gas), Fresh water tank (50 gals I think) filled to the max, Food, fridge loaded up with soda, hot dogs and other stuff, motorcycle gear for both me and my wife, camping chairs and an EZ-Up canopy).

These are the numbers:

Weight 1 (just the truck and the Equalizer hitch only):

Steer Axle (Front): 3,560 lbs.
Drive Axle (Rear): 2,760 lbs.
Trailer Axle: 0
Gross Weight: 6,320 lbs.

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Weight 2 (Truck and 19RR Wet with the WDH "Bars, NOT" attached):

Steer Axle (Front): 3,240 lbs.
Drive Axle (Rear): 3,860 lbs.
Trailer Axle: 5,520 lbs.
Gross Weight: 12,620 lbs.

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Weight 3 (Truck and 19RR Wet with the WDH Bars Attached):
Steer Axle (Front): 3,440 lbs.
Drive Axle (Rear): 3,540 lbs.
Trailer Axle: 5,680 lbs.
Gross Weight: 12,660 lbs.

* I also weighted the 19RR (wet) with my new Tongue scale and it shows between 800-850 lbs.

** When the WDH is all attached, the truck and 19RR look level and the tape measure shows that the rear of the truck is about 1/8" higher than the front and the same goes for the 19RR, the rear sits about 1/8" higher than the front of the 19RR.

What is everyone’s view on these numbers?

Thanks
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:14 PM   #37
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I'll tell you what I've read- but I'll also be the first to tell you I don't know enough about trucks/vehicles in general to understand it. "They" (the Internet) say that air bags and helper springs can't increase a truck's payload. However, lots of people can argue against it and I don't have the background/basis for understanding either side of the argument.

Now, as a matter of semantics (and it likely doesn't matter for the discussion at hand) - simply from a math perspective, you can't add payload without increasing the maximum the truck can carry (e.g. GVWR).
Payload = a - b
Where a= the truck's GVWR and b = the weight of the truck and everything in/on it

The only way you can increase the payload number is to decrease truck weight or increase the GVWR.

From a simply math view- adding a leaf or air bags technical adds to the truck's weight and would decrease its payload. Now, from an actual technical perspective, it may help you carry more (or may not- again, I don't know enough to do anything but repeat what I've read).
You have to know what the max payload is based on, springs, axle brgs, frame etc to determine whether you can increase it. To my knowledge, only the mfg knows what it is based on. If it were based on springs, then airbags would increase it. If it is axle brgs, you would not be able to increase it.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:31 PM   #38
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I just went to the CAT Scale with the truck (full tank of gas), 19RR Fully packed (which includes the Yamaha R1 (with a full tank of gas), Can-Am Spyder (with a full tank of gas), Fresh water tank (50 gals I think) filled to the max, Food, fridge loaded up with soda, hot dogs and other stuff, motorcycle gear for both me and my wife, camping chairs and an EZ-Up canopy).

These are the numbers:

Weight 1 (just the truck and the Equalizer hitch only):

Steer Axle (Front): 3,560 lbs.
Drive Axle (Rear): 2,760 lbs.
Trailer Axle: 0
Gross Weight: 6,320 lbs.

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Weight 2 (Truck and 19RR Wet with the WDH "Bars, NOT" attached):

Steer Axle (Front): 3,240 lbs.
Drive Axle (Rear): 3,860 lbs.
Trailer Axle: 5,520 lbs.
Gross Weight: 12,620 lbs.

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Weight 3 (Truck and 19RR Wet with the WDH Bars Attached):
Steer Axle (Front): 3,440 lbs.
Drive Axle (Rear): 3,540 lbs.
Trailer Axle: 5,680 lbs.
Gross Weight: 12,660 lbs.

* I also weighted the 19RR (wet) with my new Tongue scale and it shows between 800-850 lbs.

** When the WDH is all attached, the truck and 19RR look level and the tape measure shows that the rear of the truck is about 1/8" higher than the front and the same goes for the 19RR, the rear sits about 1/8" higher than the front of the 19RR.

What is everyone’s view on these numbers?

Thanks
IMO, you're under all of your weights. From that chair, things look good.

I know the Ford manual differs from a lot of input here on the board- the ford owner's manual says to only restore 50% of the lost weight from the front axle but a lot of guys strive to restore all of the weight.

Honestly, I don't know how to tell your tongue weight from your numbers. :-) I'm sure someone else will be around to help. If not, start a new thread with your GVWR and GAWR #s and someone will help out!
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Actual tongue wt with trailer and no wdh bars is 3860-2760=1100, with bars hooked, 3540 or the bars reduced the load by 320# to 780#. As for the front axle, I would try to get it back closer to the truck only wt of 3560, with the bars engaged, you are 120# short. It would also take a little more off the rear axle and make the steering a little better.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:10 PM   #40
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Actual tongue wt with trailer and no wdh bars is 3860-2760=1100.
That might be the case if the camper hitch was directly over the rear axle, which it obviously is not.
To get the tongue weight, simply subtract the gross weight of the truck and the camper axle weight from the total gross weight.
12,620-6320-5520=780 pounds
Simple if you just stop and think about it for a second. Numbers can be confusing, and this weight balancing business especially so.

Or 40 pounds more if you use the second total gross weight of 12,660
not sure why they would be different, but 40 pounds isn't a bunch.
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