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07-04-2013, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.z
Had an F-150 with the same set-up. To many problems with the EcoBoost in the hot humid weather. Sold it,
and got F250 Turbo diesel 400HP, 800 Ft lbs of torque. This thing will pull a house.
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You got that right.. It does pull my house.
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07-04-2013, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bakken
That might be the case if the camper hitch was directly over the rear axle, which it obviously is not.
To get the tongue weight, simply subtract the gross weight of the truck and the camper axle weight from the total gross weight.
12,620-6320-5520=780 pounds
Simple if you just stop and think about it for a second. Numbers can be confusing, and this weight balancing business especially so.
Or 40 pounds more if you use the second total gross weight of 12,660
not sure why they would be different, but 40 pounds isn't a bunch.
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I was referring to the hitch tongue wt. I guess I should have been more specific. To get the actual tongue weight at home, get a 4 x 4 and a set of bathroom scales.
To use the method in the Figure, follow these guidelines:
Zero the scale with the board on the scale
Always place the trailer tongue 1 foot from the pipe on the support brick
Multiply the reading on the scale by the total distance between the 2 support pipes
Use a brick that is the same thickness as the scale so that the 2 x 4 is level when you weigh your trailer
For example, if the distance between the trailer tongue and the pipe on the scale is 2 feet and the distance between the trailer tongue and the pipe on the support brick is 1 foot, then you would multiply the reading on the scale by 3 to get the tongue weight. If the distance between the trailer tongue and the pipe on the scale is 3 feet and the distance between the trailer tongue and the pipe on the support brick is 1 foot, then you would multiply the reading on the scale by 4 to get the tongue weight.
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07-04-2013, 08:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCoot
I was referring to the hitch tongue wt. I guess I should have been more specific. To get the actual tongue weight at home, get a 4 x 4 and a set of bathroom scales.
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Omega Quest already said that he measured tongue weight at 800 - 850 lb.
The 1100 lbs weight increase on the rear axle is because the tongue weight is loaded about 4' behind the axle centerline, reliefs 320 lbs off the front axle which makes the tongue weight 780 lbs.
Dave
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07-04-2013, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_Monica
Omega Quest already said that he measured tongue weight at 800 - 850 lb...
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Missed that!
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07-04-2013, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_Monica
Omega Quest already said that he measured tongue weight at 800 - 850 lb.
The 1100 lbs weight increase on the rear axle is because the tongue weight is loaded about 4' behind the axle centerline, reliefs 320 lbs off the front axle which makes the tongue weight 780 lbs.
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Simple math, but can still be confusing when juggling a bunch of numbers.
But if the OP's truck and camper sit fairly level, I would say he is good to go.
While getting all of the weight back on the front wheels would be nice, it may be impractical.
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07-04-2013, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bakken
...While getting all of the weight back on the front wheels would be nice, it may be impractical.
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Takes a little tinkering to fine tune it, but it is possible.
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07-04-2013, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OldCoot
I was referring to the hitch tongue wt. I guess I should have been more specific.
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Without the WDH bars activated, the "hitch tongue wt" and the actual tongue weight are the same, 780 lbs, or 820 if you use the higher total gross combined weight.
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07-04-2013, 09:23 PM
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Nice lookin' truck. Unfortunately with all the bling it's tow ratings are terrible. Built to look pretty (which it does in spades), not to haul.
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07-04-2013, 10:54 PM
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FYI, I used a Sherline Trailer Tongue Weight Scale (2,000 lbs. gauge) under the jack to get the 800-850 lbs number.
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07-05-2013, 08:35 AM
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Numbers look good to me.
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07-07-2013, 06:01 PM
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Ford makes the absolute best looking (and probably best built) truck around and yours is a perfect example of this. Love the dash setup and the informational panels you have.
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07-09-2013, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gmacklem
Ford makes the absolute best looking (and probably best built) truck around and yours is a perfect example of this. Love the dash setup and the informational panels you have.
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While I do agree that Ford's setup is attractive, I wouldn't say best by any means. It's subjective at best. In my case, I was going to go with a 6.2 Platinum Limited (or whatever the model was that only had 2500 built/serialized) but Ram flat out earned my business.
That brings back the memory of the Ford salesman telling me I should be considering the EcoBoost. After having a 6 cylinder Ranger, I thought he was blowing smoke.
Anyway...I'm learning an awful lot from you guys about the numbers and their interpretation.
V-Dub
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07-09-2013, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OldCoot
You have to know what the max payload is based on, springs, axle brgs, frame etc to determine whether you can increase it. To my knowledge, only the mfg knows what it is based on. If it were based on springs, then airbags would increase it. If it is axle brgs, you would not be able to increase it.
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THIS... I've been on other forums and heard all the same arguments about payload. In my opinion since the frame is involved and also the GVWR, you really can't increase your payload number. You can just make trucks tow better with a load on them. Remember, unless you can convince a lawyer of this, then it's not official.
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Originally Posted by V-Dub
That brings back the memory of the Ford salesman telling me I should be considering the EcoBoost. After having a 6 cylinder Ranger, I thought he was blowing smoke.
Anyway...I'm learning an awful lot from you guys about the numbers and their interpretation.
V-Dub
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I'm not a blind believer for ecoboost by any means. I'm an eternal skeptic about a 3.7L V6 with (in some cases) 10K+ of towing capacity. But It's not that much of a stretch any more. The same engine series in many trucks with revisions to valve setups and compression ratios are putting out 50-100 more HP or at least close to it that the same block designs from 10 years ago. I commend Ford for thinking outside the box and giving drivers a reasonable fuel economy for their daily driver and power when needed for their toys.
Someone here said the OP could've gotten a 6.7L 250 for about the same price. But it's sounds like Omega thought about it, bought a premium trim level and balanced that with a lower cost of ownership. Smart move in my opinion.
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07-09-2013, 02:59 PM
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Ok, I'm gonna try uploading a pic of the TV and TT.
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07-09-2013, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by arjerram
Ok, I'm gonna try uploading a pic of the TV and TT.
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Patiently waiting
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07-09-2013, 03:12 PM
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I guess my iPad isn't gonna let me in the usual way. I'm gonna try something. Stby
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07-09-2013, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by arjerram
I guess my iPad isn't gonna let me in the usual way. I'm gonna try something. Stby
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Yep sittin on pins an needles here.
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07-09-2013, 03:18 PM
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I'm gonna see if I can send myself an email, with the pic, then post it. Take a pill! I'm tryin'!
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