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Old 06-09-2014, 10:48 PM   #51
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I think there's some sort of conspiracy in the US to con TT owners into running much too thirsty vehicles to tow their trailers.
Yes, there is. It's called litigation and is organized by lawyers.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:54 PM   #52
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Yes, there is. It's called litigation and is organized by lawyers.
You forgot the FRF Weight Police.
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You forgot the FRF Weight Police.
That's an independently franchised subsidiary!
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Old 06-10-2014, 01:05 PM   #54
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I think there's some sort of conspiracy in the US to con TT owners into running much too thirsty vehicles to tow their trailers.
It's not a conspiracy. There is a huge difference between towing on the back roads of eastern North Carolina or South Carolina and going from San Francisco to Lake Tahoe in the traffic on I-80, or even worse, going across the Rockies in Colorado on I-70.

I've been there with under-powered and under-cooled and under-equipped tow vehicles. I've also had my transimission seize up from over-heating while on the upgrade to the Eisenhower tunnel (elevation 11K) on I-70 in Colorado. I've nearly had a 5000lb sailboat roll sideways off the trailer when the sway got too violent coming down an overpass in Florida - bent the trailer cradles pretty good.

Having learned the hard way (why I can't learn from other people's mistakes is something I have to change), I've found towing within recommended limits avoids those white-knuckle moments, having to change my underwear so frequently, and is a lot easier on the wallet long term (no unexpected breakdowns).

I have a 2008 Hyundai Entourage minivan (rebadged Kia Sedona) with the US 3500lb tow rating. I tow a FR A122 (base model, no front storage or toy area) in Colorado - about 2500 lbs actual. I had to install a WDH to make the ride comfortable and safe for the family, and ensure I didn't have sway when I had to maintain highway speeds in traffic. I wouldn't want to go anything heavier with that particular tow vehicle - but then I want to be able to maintain 50+ MPH going up the grades (on the straights) at 9000ft so that I'm not blocking traffic excessively.

As an engineer, I think the real reason for the reduced US ratings is the speeds (and associated stresses and strains on TV frame, suspension, brakes, engine) expected by US drivers in hilly and mountain areas. For living in the Rockies, I find the US tow ratings to be entirely reasonable - and NOT to be exceeded.

A question for the experts. I was in a Ford dealership a few months ago, eyeing the new Explorer. I noticed the footnote that said the Eco-boost engines were rated based on premium (92 octane) gas. Do they run well on regular? Or is premium needed to run decently because of the turbos?

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Old 06-10-2014, 09:40 PM   #55
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I am too use regular in Canada on my Ecoboost. I do put premium in when my favourite filling station is selling it for regular price when they run out of regular.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:13 PM   #56
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our F250 SuperDuty only has the 5.0 L -- what a DOG! Can't pull up hill unless the engine is reving at 4K + and the semi's are passing me. 9 mpg and I still have to open the driver's door and push with my foot!

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Any brand of truck with that small of an engine will suck at towing not just Ford. Dont blame Ford for a poor choice of engine.

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The 2010 F250 never had a 5.0L engine. It had the 5.4L and 6.8L gassers and the 6.4L diesel.

To the original question, I've averaged about 9.5 mpg in the 3 years with my setup below.
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I run regular towing or not. I've tried premium and while it does make a difference not enough to justify the cost differential for me.

FWIW I've pulled my 5'r up and down the mountains of V and VW without once feeling like I was underpowered or undertrucked. To each their own though.
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My truck is an 03 Duramax. Pulling this enclosed snowmobile trailer 6,500# fully loaded, I would get 14mpg HWY. Cruise set to maintain 1850 rpm (66MPH). Notice how narrow it is, with an extreme "V" nose. This trailer never broke any air for itself. It rode in the slipstream of the truck.



Fast forwaed to the Work and Play I'm pulling now, same RPM (speed), 10 mpg. It wieghts 11,000#, and does push a lot of air. I washed dead bugs off of the front panel, after the last trip. I never had any dead bugs on the red trailer.
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Some of y'all are getting great mpg for the load you're hauling.
I will have to see if I can tweak my driving habits to get better mpg.
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