Need help with numbers

[methos987]

Hello everyone, I am new to towing anything really and to owning a travel trailer. I am trying to make sense of all the numbers and wondering with someone can help me out a little bit.

I currently own a 2016 tundra crewman, 4x4 with a tow package and a 2018 windjammer 3029w; the listed hitch weight is 1067 lbs and a dry weight of 7772 lbs. I am now a full timer and am parked pretty much in one spot with the occasional rv park moves. I’ve tried looking at towing numbers and figuring things out but alas. I’m pretty sure I might be very close or over what the tundra can do. Because of this, I am thinking of upgrading to a Ford F-250 xlt (gas), crew cab 4x4 with the camper package, would I be better off with this vehicle with decent room to spare for weight? There are so many towing numbers I’m not sure what to look at exactly.

Sorry so long

[bikendan]

You need to post the Tundra's axle weight capacities and payload capacity from the driver's door.
Also, do you know what the rear end ratio is?

You should be better off with the F250 though.

[KRedburn]

Your hitch weight is the weight at the hitch point.
You dry weight is the weight of the trailer empty. Add to that 8lbs per gallon of water that you have on board + your cargo (clothes, groceries, anything you have added)
Your Tundra is probably a 1/2 ton pickup. ( I am not familiar with the Toyota trucks much) If so, it is a 1000 lb. cargo capacity. Passengers and stuff included.
On the door label there should be a GCWR rating. This would be the combined weight that the truck is rated for. GCWR - truck weight = tow capability.
I do suspect you are over on the Tundra. A F250 or other 3/4 ton truck would be better. A 1 ton would be great.
Towing is just part of the equation. The stopping is in my opinion of higher importance. Long story but out west we have some very steep hills. I have had an experience where it was a "white knuckler" coming down a mountain pass with trailer brakes going out.
I would say a truck that can pull the trailer reasonably but is able to bring the combination to a stop on a steep hill is the best setup.


Take your time learning your setup and have fun camping

[boxman117]

Originally Posted by KRedburn

Your hitch weight is the weight at the hitch point.
You dry weight is the weight of the trailer empty. Add to that 8lbs per gallon of water that you have on board + your cargo (clothes, groceries, anything you have added)
Your Tundra is probably a 1/2 ton pickup. ( I am not familiar with the Toyota trucks much) If so, it is a 1000 lb. cargo capacity. Passengers and stuff included.
On the door label there should be a GCWR rating. This would be the combined weight that the truck is rated for. GCWR - truck weight = tow capability.
I do suspect you are over on the Tundra. A F250 or other 3/4 ton truck would be better. A 1 ton would be great.
Towing is just part of the equation. The stopping is in my opinion of higher importance. Long story but out west we have some very steep hills. I have had an experience where it was a "white knuckler" coming down a mountain pass with trailer brakes going out.
I would say a truck that can pull the trailer reasonably but is able to bring the combination to a stop on a steep hill is the best setup.


Take your time learning your setup and have fun camping

Not necessarily true that a 1/2 ton has a 1,000 pound capacity...historically, yes, but it’s a marketing ploy more than anything nowadays. I used to sell Tundras, so I can say they are very capable trucks, but I don’t recall the numbers. Everyone is right on the way to figure it out and I agree with being able to stop is the most important. Personally, I’d put a Tundra against a F-250 any day...

[Ejs4029]

Originally Posted by boxman117

Not necessarily true that a 1/2 ton has a 1,000 pound capacity...historically, yes, but it’s a marketing ploy more than anything nowadays. I used to sell Tundras, so I can say they are very capable trucks, but I don’t recall the numbers. Everyone is right on the way to figure it out and I agree with being able to stop is the most important. Personally, I’d put a Tundra against a F-250 any day...

So you're saying you would choose a 1/2 ton Tundra over a 3/4 ton Ford F250 for towing the OP Windjammer ? So this is something you would have told a potential customer when you were selling Tundra's ? What is you're rationality based on ?

[boxman117]

Originally Posted by Ejs4029

So you're saying you would choose a 1/2 ton Tundra over a 3/4 ton Ford F250 for towing the OP Windjammer ? And this is based on ?

Not what I was saying at all...just that I don’t know the tonnage on the Tundra and that the tonnage doesn’t necessarily relate to literal tonnage in today’s trucks. It does relate to towing expectations based on the build of the truck though.

[KRedburn]

not to be picky but the example was a 1/2 ton truck which would be a F100. Most of today's trucks are "heavy half ton" ie F150 which would be rated 1500 lb. cargo
So, truck is rated 1500 lb cargo which would all stuff and tongue weight over the axles. Tow weight with equalizing hitch is altogether different and that is why there is a GCWR rating on the vehicle. That GCWR is where I am referring to that OP may be over the vehicles ratiings.
An F250 will have a higher GCWR than any heavy half ton pickup. A F350 1 ton will have higher GCWR than the F250 etc.

the Tundra is a nice truck as is an F150. But a V8 powered F250 will have better driveability with a 8000 lb trailer.


Just my honest opinion.


I used a F60 Freightliner to pull my 16500 lb fifth wheel dry weight after having a very scary issue on HWY 12 in WA. Long windy 6% down grade and have trailer brakes go out using a F350. Went and got the hauler after that.

[mopwr4me2003]

Some simple questions for you.

What is the weight of your tundra? Have you taken it to the scale?

What is the weight of the TT loaded like you were going camping?

What is your combined weight of both together hooked up?

Then from that what is the max payload of the tundra and the max combined towing capacity of the tundra?

Without the basic numbers you have nothing to go on. We can throw imaginary numbers all day and confuse you. So get some weights and let’s see what you have and then let’s talk about the TV and what might be the bast answer for you.

Tim

[Fishtexx]

My 2008 Tundra 5.7 4x4 door sticker
GVWR - 7100
F GAWR - 4000 at 30 psi
R GAWR - 4150 at 33 psi

That is with the factory tires. OP's numbers should be close.

[rockfordroo]

There's no way I'd tow a Windjammer 3029w with a 1/2 ton. I found the following on one website:

GVWR: 9,267
Dry Weight: 7,772
Hitch Weight: 1,067

Dry weight is for suckers - ignore it. It's what the TT weighs with no options and never really weighed that weight. Also, the hitch weight is based on dry weight, so it's also a poor number.

So the first thing is to assume your Tundra's towing capacity should be at least the GVWR or 9267 lbs.

Unless you can actually weigh it, assume the tongue weight is 12-15% of the GVWR. Let's use 12%, that means the TW could be 1112 lbs (maybe more). If you have a weight distribution hitch (WDH), and with this rig you SHOULD have one, add another 75-100 lbs depending on brand. Let's say 75 lb, so now your tongue weight (i.e., hitch weight) is 1112 + 75 = 1187 lbs. (You should make sure your hitch is rated for at least 1187 lbs hitch weight.)

Now look on the door frame of your Tundra. There will be a tire pressure sticker that will also say something like "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed xxx kg or yyy lbs." This number, whatever it is, is your Payload capacity.

Take your payload capacity and subtract the 1187 lbs tongue weight we calculated above. What's left has to cover you, your wife, your kids, your dogs, and anything else you put in the truck.

And most (many?) people like to have 20% margin to towing capacity and payload capacity.

I agree - get a 3/4 ton.

[mopwr4me2003]

And again weigh your stuff and get real numbers! Unless you got $$$$ laying around. This way you will know exactly what you can haul even if you get a F-250 it’s still worth knowing the numbers.

[boxman117]

Just saw this and it applied, so I thought you may find it interesting... http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...ce-146373.html

[timfromma]

I owned a Tundra before my Chevy and here were my numbers:

load capacity: 1700lbs
trailer GVWR: 9000lbs
loaded trailer tongue weight: 1100lbs
weight of passengers and cargo: 1000lbs

Now you can see why I upgraded my tow vehicle.

[Trawlerphil]

Originally Posted by boxman117

Just saw this and it applied, so I thought you may find it interesting... http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...ce-146373.html

I'm the guy that wrote about the actual Tundra towing with a 9K 5er. Your question has a simple answer, if your disposable income permits acquiring a new F-250 painlessly, then that's certainly a good plan. My friend just dropped $70K on a new King Ranch F-350 dually to tow his 10K 5er and he didn't even break a sweat. Me, not so lucky...

[Lundy]

I guess I will put my experience in on this thread. I have a 7,000lb trailer when fully loaded, I know not as heavy as the OP's trailer. I was pulling it with a 08 F150 a couple of years ago and I lost the tranny on a trip, called my son to come get me with his 08 5.7 Toyota Tundra. We pulled the trailer home over 500 miles with his truck. It pulled very similar to the F150, really no difference at all. I dumped the F150 and bought a Gasser F250, "OH My God" what a difference. The 250 was far superior in every way, I will never pull with a 1/2 ton again.

[tuckerdog1]

Looking forward to seeing the OP's door sticker numbers.

Pulled up a PDF for the 2016 Tundra.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/release...specs.download

If I read correctly, The tow package is only on the 5.7 V8. Payload varies from 1430-1555. Even if it could handle the tongue weight of the Jammer, it leaves very little for much else. But it says max tongue weight for the crewmax is 980 lbs. So already over limit there. Also, the curb weight ( varies a small amount by trim pkg ) is close to 5,700 lbs. TT close to 10K and max tow capacity is 16K.

Looks like the F250 is a must.

Tuckerdog1

[kfountain]

I tow with an F-250 and come from a half ton tow vehicle. My trailer weights are like yours and the difference with going to the 250 is astounding. It is not just that it tows much better but the way it handles the trailer and stops and the stability of the truck are the benefits I see. Overall we feel much safer and that is worth the difference in price any day. Plus my fuel mileage is much better because the truck doesn't stay in a strain all the time.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by boxman117

Not necessarily true that a 1/2 ton has a 1,000 pound capacity...historically, yes, but it’s a marketing ploy more than anything nowadays. I used to sell Tundras, so I can say they are very capable trucks, but I don’t recall the numbers. Everyone is right on the way to figure it out and I agree with being able to stop is the most important. Personally, I’d put a Tundra against a F-250 any day...

Thanks~~ I needed that!

[dbledan]

I tow a 7300lb fully loaded trailer now with a half ton truck. Assuming all are fairly close weight wise (they vary by a few hundred lbs payload wise) there is no way I would pull any more and the OP dry weight was 7700lbs which means 9k or more loaded.

This is my experience others will vary. I am only going to keep my half ton until I can afford to upgrade to a one ton. The 250s had similar payloads with the diesels to the half tons, but the gasser may be different.

If you can afford to upgrade I would do it.