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Old 12-17-2014, 05:03 PM   #41
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The Rams, 2500 and 3500, are made in Mexico and that may be a factor in the cost?
In 2011 when I was looking at a diesel truck, the Chev/GMC was a lot more expensive then the Ram or Ford and when I asked the salesperson about that he just stated that it was a good price for the truck. The Ram was the next in price and at that time they had what I consider old technology (no DEF or exhaust brake). I ended up with a 2011 F250, XLT, CC, longbed, diesel, auto, for the lowest price of the three, $39,125 plus TT & L. I have been very pleased. I live in a county of Texas, Montgomery, were one half of all registrations are pickups and therefore there are lots of them for sale and I do know that a lot of the time we can get then for less then say up north because of that. Good Luck
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:03 PM   #42
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Well, I just may be a tad biased, as I’ve been buying GMC trucks for the last 20 years, every time I traded, the new truck had more horsepower, more tech goodies, better mileage, and yes, even a higher price tag. Anticipating a first ever purchase of a 5th wheel toy hauler in November, I began my research… both for the future truck and the fiver.. in October.

2015 GMC SLT Duramax / Allison ¾ ton Crew Cab 4x4. My first diesel. My first ¾ ton. 400 hp. SLT with the bells, whistles, and even a bunch of yee haws! It has so many buttons and functions they should offer a course at the local college… One function gives you the current mpg… and will average that mpg at selected mileage groupings of your choice.. I use 50 miles to get my average… my best 50 mile mpg…. 24.7, yep 24.7 @ 52 mph, after 4000 miles… I think I can beat that … think I can get 26 @ 47 mph…
My previous truck was a GMC SLT 2010 5.7 l V8 gas ½ ton. Nice truck. But this 2500 with the 6.7 l Duramax and Allison Transmission… well, it makes me feel like that previous truck was a toy.

The power and torque for me, at least … well the quick message is: this vehicle was built for pulling and hauling. On my recent trip through the ozarks, this truck confirmed my suspicions that i need not worry about ascending or descending those slopes with almost 6 tons rolling along behind me. Not a concern at all.

Whatever you get for your towing rig… its better to have more power and capacity than you think you need..

Oh… that MPG when pulling that rig... it went down to 12 mpg…. but it never let me down!
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:42 PM   #43
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The Ram was the next in price and at that time they had what I consider old technology (no DEF or exhaust brake).
A buddy of mine had what I'm sure was a 2003 an it had an exhaust brake on the side of the manual gearshift. It may have been aftermarket but I know his 2009 has the same thing as my 2012, a button on the dash.
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:21 PM   #44
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About 3 weeks ago I started looking at diesel trucks 3500 series (1 Ton ) I looked at dodge, chevy and ford and I decided on the Chevrolet 3500hd drw Silverado LTZ with the discounts I got from GM it was my best deal. I also liked the interior the best along with the bells and whistles. Looked at a lot of comparisons that had different results where each of the big 3 did good. Fuel mileage was almost always better on the chevys the duramax has been a success for years and Allison trans has been superior to the others,. Owned a 2006 f-350 6.0 had excellent fuel mileage when it was on the hook always something wrong could have just been a lemon? All three are now so comparable that its your flavor go for what you like.
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I stand corrected "This is incorrect. Navistar International made the 6.0 and the 6.4 as well. The 6.7 is Ford's entry into making their own diesel which started in 2011. It was re-engineered for the 2015 model year and now has 440HP, 860TQ, and a real exhaust brake."


Anyway we had a 2001 and 2003 with 7.3 and a 2006 and 2007 with a 6.0 or 6.4 and actually traded the 2006 and 2007 in on 2-2014 6.7 Fords keeping the 2001 & 2003 because of how many issues we had.


Doesn't Ford use the cummings and Allison in the F650 & F750 and use to use it in the F550?


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Doesn't Ford use the cummings and Allison in the F650 & F750 and use to use it in the F550?

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Ford never used the Cummins in the F450/550. The 650/ 750, yes. As far as the new 650/750, the link you posted says they offer the Cummins. I read somewhere that Ford was not going to offer the Cummins in them anymore, but who knows.
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Old 12-17-2014, 11:37 PM   #47
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I don't understand why anyone would want to tune a new diesel. My Ford has plenty of power from the factory at I believe 400 hp and 800 lb ft of torque. Did I say I love my 6.7 POWERSTROKE
Agreed. I don't nessarily want to "tune" my Cummins, but I'd like to do the deletes and remove the EGR (let's funnel dirty air back into the intake and see what happens,) the DPF (let's choke off the exhaust with a super-restrictive filter that requires me to burn more fuel to get the same HP we had before without it--plus burning even more for the regen--all in the name of the environment,) and the NoX filter (ditto.). I'd just like it to be more efficient and have a longer lasting engine without the issues all the EPA emissions garbage causes. It sure doesn't need more power.
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Agreed. I don't nessarily want to "tune" my Cummins, but I'd like to do the deletes and remove the EGR (let's funnel dirty air back into the intake and see what happens,) the DPF (let's choke off the exhaust with a super-restrictive filter that requires me to burn more fuel to get the same HP we had before without it--plus burning even more for the regen--all in the name of the environment,) and the NoX filter (ditto.). I'd just like it to be more efficient and have a longer lasting engine without the issues all the EPA emissions garbage causes. It sure doesn't need more power.
That's like saying "let's get rid of all the stop signs and red lights, they just slow us down and make us use more fuel". When did doing something good for the environment become a bad thing?
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The Rams, 2500 and 3500, are made in Mexico and that may be a factor in the cost?
In 2011 when I was looking at a diesel truck, the Chev/GMC was a lot more expensive then the Ram or Ford and when I asked the salesperson about that he just stated that it was a good price for the truck. The Ram was the next in price and at that time they had what I consider old technology (no DEF or exhaust brake).
I bought my 2011 Ram new, and it DOES have a factory exhaust brake, which can be engaged separately from the tow/haul mode. I liked that particular feature better than the Chevy/GMC. Also, NOT having to put cat pee in my truck every 5000 miles makes me a happy camper. Deletes and mods are easier, too.
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I had a 2001 GMC Duramax, 3/4 ton, crew cab, short box 4x4. Had it for 10 years. Now own a 2011 GMC Duramax 1 ton dually, crew cab, long box, 4x4. More HP, more stability, more piece of mind. I like it, it's my daily driver, my wife can drive it in a pinch, it's a lot of truck to wash . It has an engine brake and combined with tow/haul mode it really slows the truck and 5er down without having to use the brakes too much. Mine does not have the high idle option on it although it will go into high idle until it comes off the glow plugs. All new diesels now deal with DEF which can be a problem for some. Your fuel mileage goes down when in regen mode. My buddy has owned a couple of Ford diesels and has had nothing but trouble with them. I like what I drive so don't really care what other people drive. Do the research on each brand and pick one. Just remember, you're buying a TRUCK, not a car and as you know with your truck you have now, the ride is harsher than a car. If you go to a 1 ton, it's an even harsher ride. I wouldn't depend completely on what other people say about their trucks as it eventually gets to be a pi**ing match. You're the one who will decide and then live with what you pick. Good luck.
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