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12-07-2013, 10:42 PM
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Junior Member
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Location: Jupiter, FL
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New to it all!
Lord have mercy! I'm about to take ownership of a 2013 3600TH and a Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4 with my SO. We both have worked hard to achieve this dream and recently retired from public service jobs. We are excited and want to enjoy this opportunity to travel and ride our motorcycles across the country. I've been reading all the suggestions on what to pack, things to watch for, where to go, etc. Then suddenly I'm sweating bullets!! My worry is that the truck isn't big enough to do the job. The truck and rv dealers said it would, but reading what other members of the forum have written...I'm nervous!
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12-07-2013, 10:48 PM
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Site Team
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i'm assuming TH is for toyhauler, but FR has probably over 20 different brands of toyhaulers.
which one is yours?
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4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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12-07-2013, 11:45 PM
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Junior Member
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Location: Jupiter, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
i'm assuming TH is for toyhauler, but FR has probably over 20 different brands of toyhaulers. which one is yours?
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It is a Columbus Conquistador toyhauler. We both have motorcycles that will go in the garage.
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12-07-2013, 11:59 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I think he's referring to a Columbus Conquistador 3600TH.
Here's the spec for it...
Dry Weight 12637lbs
GVWR 18000lbs
Cargo Capacity 5363lbs
Hitch Weight 2560lbs
Axle Weight N/A
Exterior Height N/A
Exterior Length 40.42'
Exterior Width 8.33'
Interior Height N/A
Fresh Water 127gal
Black Water 43gal
Gray Water 78gal
Awning Size N/A
I looked up in the 2013 Trailer Life Towing guide. The highest tow rating for crew cab is 14600 lb. (long bed with 4.10's). You don't identify the year, configuration or gear ratio for your truck.
Dave
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12-07-2013, 11:59 PM
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I had a 2006 5.9 3500 SRW dodge and I have the 325rl it was a little heavy for a single wheel
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12-08-2013, 12:01 AM
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I ended up getting a dodge ram 3500 DRW
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12-08-2013, 12:39 AM
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Junior Member
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The truck is 2013 crew cab Tradesman 4x4 with 8 ft.bed. Not sure of gear ratio. I'm not finding that in owners' manual. It's a 6 speed automatic and supposedly has an air suspension system to help with carrying the load.
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12-08-2013, 12:48 AM
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You may be over weight for that truck IMO
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12-08-2013, 06:58 AM
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IMHO a truck like a F450 or better yet a 550 is what you need for that trailer which is near 13,000 dry.
Two bikes you AND SO with gear and food will push that way over what a 250 is rated for.
The air bags are NOT for overloading a rig.
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12-08-2013, 07:14 AM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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With a full tank of fuel, a driver, and the dry pin weight, you've almost reached your max payload (using 2014 model figures) before you add anything to the camper or a passenger. With most toy haulers, once you add weight to the garage, it will reduce your pin weight some, but that generally comes back once you add cargo and personal items to camper. By the numbers, you are marginal at best.
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12-08-2013, 07:19 AM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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I retract my above statement, you're already over. Had wrong model entered, the dry pin weight is over your max payload by couple hundred pounds.
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12-08-2013, 09:58 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
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I'm not sure why, but the numbers posted on the Trailer Life Towing Guide and the Ram Truck Towing guide for 2013 do not agree. According to Ram, your Tradesman is rated to tow 17250 with a payload of 2453 lbs. Here's the link... Ram Trucks Towing Guide
Dave
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12-08-2013, 10:50 AM
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I know this will get the weight police started. But I don't really care anymore. We tow a CC that is close to it's GVWR with our GMC 2500. It tows without any trouble. Yes, like most others who will admit it, I'm over pin weight. It's a fact of life.
Drive safely, enjoy yourselves and we'll see ya 'round the campfires!
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2013 GMC 2500 Denali
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12-08-2013, 02:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OL Creeker
I know this will get the weight police started. But I don't really care anymore. We tow a CC that is close to it's GVWR with our GMC 2500. It tows without any trouble. Yes, like most others who will admit it, I'm over pin weight. It's a fact of life.
Drive safely, enjoy yourselves and we'll see ya 'round the campfires!
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Do not know to many people over their pin weight, If I remember right you were told that and as always it's the owners choice nobody eles. Just keep the public highway and yourself safe. I just do not know what to say about your comment..... 
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12-08-2013, 02:48 PM
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Site Team - Lou
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18,000 pounds is way beyond a 2500 me thinks.
I would be looking at a 4500 modified. 
That why they make these:
Utility Bodywerks - Manufacturer of RV Hauler Beds - News
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12-08-2013, 03:27 PM
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Camper Less Camping
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FLBrutus
Lord have mercy! I'm about to take ownership of a 2013 3600TH and a Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4 with my SO. We both have worked hard to achieve this dream and recently retired from public service jobs. We are excited and want to enjoy this opportunity to travel and ride our motorcycles across the country. I've been reading all the suggestions on what to pack, things to watch for, where to go, etc. Then suddenly I'm sweating bullets!! My worry is that the truck isn't big enough to do the job. The truck and rv dealers said it would, but reading what other members of the forum have written...I'm nervous!
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Congrats on the new purchase (s)...never take the word of any Dealer without you doing the math yourself...they're in it to sell a unit-period!
As others stated, run the numbers on your truck & compare to loaded rv numbers...pretty sure you'll find that at a minimum a 3500 DRW is the appropriate tow vehicle.
Happy Camping!
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12-08-2013, 04:10 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Jupiter, FL
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Calling truck dealer tomorrow, but probably out of luck...already drove it off the lot and put it in storage in my hometown! Haven't picked up the 5 th wheel though, might have to use the deposit to downsize.
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12-08-2013, 04:29 PM
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Location: Florida
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I have a Columbus 3650 Toyhauler with a Victory Vision motorcycle. I tow it with a 2002 Chevy 2500hd, gas 8.1,Allison Trans with 72,000 miles. I Travel from Ohio to Florida, stay in the Smokies during the summer crisscrossing the mountains and have had absolutely no problem with the set up, even though some on here will tell you you will need a semi to pull it...
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12-08-2013, 04:34 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Northern Calif.
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I agree with the others, IMHO a 3/4 ton SRW might be able to pull it, but the hitch weight will be way to high.
I have a new 2013 Chevy. 2500 HD 4x4 CC Reg. Bed Duramax/Allison. The max. gvwr is 10,000. The owners manual curb weight is 7,294. If I add passengers, fuel and a hitch it comes to approx. 8400 lbs. 10,000-8400 leaves a hitch/pin max. weight of 1,600.
We started looking at trading up to a 5th wheel toy hauler for more room. I only find one FR model that has a pin weight under 1600 lbs. and that is empty. The size would not be much more than what we have now.
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12-08-2013, 07:24 PM
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Welcome aboard. We live in Orlando, FL. Also if you have Facebook check out RV Tips Group
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