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Old 10-17-2015, 06:09 PM   #11
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Thank for the response. Ideally i want to stick with a 1/2 ton. An F-150 SuperCab 4x4 or Chevy 1500 same setup is what I want but I want a truck that is not getting pushed around like the Navigator. I am hoping that the 1/2 ton Navi vs. 1/2 ton truck would be different just because it's an SUV v. TRUCK. Any input on this? Or a 3/4 ton more what I should be looking?
Not planning on getting a bigger unit anytime soon
If you don't want to be pushed around then it's a 2500 or 250 . my preference is Chevy 2500 . gas 6.0 which i have does fine pulling my loaded 29hsf at around 9000lbs 70 ++ with out strain in the flat lands and pulling the steep grades in the rocky mtns 45 at 4200 rpm .pulling grades is only about 2 to 5 % of the miles driven
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Old 10-18-2015, 01:01 PM   #12
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I'm pulling an 8,000 lb fifth wheel with a Ford F-150 ecoboost, HD tow package and 3.73 differential. THIS is the combination that Ford promotes that achieves their 12,000 lb tow capacity. Includes the larger radiator, tranny cooler, sway bar, etc. The key to the strong torque and pulling power is that differential. Get it with the tow package and the super crew and you'll have a terrific and affordable rig in a gas engine. We put 34,000 miles on ours last year without a hiccup. Towed from Tennessee to Colorado to Grand Canyon to AZ to California up the coast to Washington, on to Glacier, back through Colorado and will shortly leave for Florida. Suggest you do not pull any trailer of any kind going 75. 65 is plenty fast - what's your hurry and why put the stress on the trailer tires??? I've averaged 10.3 mpg while towing, 23++ on the highway without the trailer, and combined city/highway I'm getting about 18. You'll do even better with the 2015 models - better gas mileage and stronger (12,000 lbs) tow capacity. MUST have the 3.73 differential or it just won't work.
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I appreciate all the responses. I am going to be doing a lot of research. My current Navi get about 8.2 Mpg with TT... I def want to eliminate the being pushed around feeling.
Robsshots: how does that F150 do in that area? Being a half ton, you have to feel it some with wind and large trucks right?
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:09 PM   #14
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:10 PM   #15
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I appreciate all the responses. I am going to be doing a lot of research. My current Navi get about 8.2 Mpg with TT... I def want to eliminate the being pushed around feeling.
Robsshots: how does that F150 do in that area? Being a half ton, you have to feel it some with wind and large trucks right?
While doing your research I know you will check towing capacity but don't forget the tongue weight. Your tongue weight will be 10 to 15 % of your trailer weight. Let's say your trailer weighs 9000 lbs. So you will have a tongue weight of 900 to 1300 lbs. Add you, your significant other, gas and cargo you will be right at or above your maximum gross vehicle weight of your F150 or 1500 Truck. It will tow your trailer and do a better job than your Navigator but you transmission temperature will run close to the upper allowable range, your brakes wont last as long and you will most likely slightly over weight.

I know because I've been there and done that. I was pulling a similar trailer (listed in my signature) and had a Chevrolet Silverado 1500 with a good Equalizer hitch. When I pulled my loaded truck and loaded new trailer on the scales my truck was 150 lbs over weight. It pulled pretty good but I knew it was too much for the truck even though the trailer was well within the specified maximum towing capacity. I keep my truck for three years and traded it in last month for a 2015 Chevrolet Silverado HD2500 Z71. I hooked up my trailer and whole rig onto the scales and I'm 1000 lbs under the maximum weight. It pulls well, the transmission is 50 degrees cooler. The biggest advantage is I don't worry about being over weight.

Bottom line: consider tongue weight in your research.
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:14 PM   #16
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Went from a Z71 with 5.3l to a F250 with a 6.0 diesel. As others have said, the difference is night and day. No more stress and white knuckle for me, except around maintenance time. 15 quarts of oil vs. 5 ish.
The gasser got about 6mpg, the diesel gets 12mpg pulling the TT.
Of course, my stuff is old. (Z71 was a '99, F250 is a '05, TT is a '07) There have been a lot of advances in trucks in the past few years so research is the key.
It would be good if you could hitch a ride in both types before you make your final decision.
Whatever you decide, best of luck to you!
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:32 PM   #17
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I used to have a 30 ft TT that weighed 7300 lbs loaded. I started out towing with an 04 armada rated for 9100lbs. I was pushed all over the place just like you were. We started out looking for a half ton HD truck or a 3/4 ton gasser. We were dead set against a diesel. While looking we stumbled across a 2 yr old 2009 F250 with the 6.4 PSD in it. We ended up purchasing it. Man did I love towing that combo. The same mountain my Tt pushed the armada down, I only needed to hit the brakes once. The diesel engine did everything else for me. I was able to one handed drive. I also went from 6-8 mpg to 11-12 mpg towing. I kept that truck until I was ready to upgrade to my current fiver. It lacked the payload for my fiver. I went with a new 2014 chevy 3500 duramax. This truck has the exhaust brake in it. I towed the tt with this truck a few trips before trading the tt. No huge difference towing the tt between the two diesels except I'm getting 13mpg towing a 12000 lb full profile fiver through the mountains. I typically get 16 mpg around town. I found a great deal on the new 2014 as leftover truck. Got it cheaper than most 2500 and many 1500's. There was also a cheap ram 3500 with the Cummins near us but I liked driving the chevy better. Ours is a single rear wheel. I drive it daily and tow with it monthly. The biggest issue as a daily driver was getting used to the extra length of the long bed crew cab. I know I won't park in the tight spots but it doesn't beat me up.

Honestly, I would skip the half ton and go for a 3/4 ton gas or diesel of your choice. Pay attention to the payload door sticker on any truck you buy. I have seen 3/4 ton trucks with payloads ranging from 1500 -2500 lbs. I have seen 1/2 tons with tiny payloads and 1/2 tons with payloads bigger than some 3/4 tons. My current 3500 has a 4000 lb payload per the door sticker.
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One thing nobody has pointed out. You mentioned your friend with the diesel towed your trailer at 75 mph with no wdh. Bad idea on two points. Most trailer tires are only rated to 65 mph. Towing at 75 mph is asking for a blow out or an accident. Also towing without the wdh is a had idea. Most class V hitches are rated at 500 lbs tongue weight without wdh. Even with my 3500 I used the wdh. Please don't tow that fast and use your wdh. Ok stepping off my soapbox now.
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:52 PM   #19
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asquared, I have the same truck as you and comparable size 5th wheel. You clearly enjoy the wonderful towing experience this truck provides as I do. Does everything wonderfully, for less than the cost of a Ecoboost. I get the same mileage towing with this truck as my previous GMC 6.0 gas got NOT towing.
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A 1500 Chevy would work, but keep in mind, most all new 1/2T trucks come with P rated tires and THEY WILL NOT WORK WELL. You need at least LR D or LR E truck tires. Probably one of the reasons your Navi is giving you a problem.
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