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Old 10-17-2015, 04:12 PM   #1
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New tow vehicle idea?

Let me start this with this:
Plz do not bash other makes cause your a ford guy, Chevy guy, etc.... Just looking for honest, preferably first hand knowledge... I am looking at upgrading my tow vehicle and here's why (I would not sale my Navi if not for the following)

2000 Lincoln Navigator AWD w/ air ride pulling a 27' 2015 Avenger ATI W/ Ez Lift bars and sway control

While pulling, at times, I can really feel the TT push me in curves, wind really makes her rock, and of course large trucks and such cause me to white knuckle the steering wheel. I am just wanting something with more "butt" so it's not so stressful pulling the TT for 4-5 hours one way.
My friend that picked it up for me used a new 2500 GMC Denali Diesel truck and we never used the EZ lifts or sway bar. His truck never knew it was back there and we ran 75 up a mountain. Now his truck was way overkill being it was a turbo diesel but just the feeling of not being pushed around was a relief. These are my current thoughts on vehicles and please chime in with other options. Also, if one of these is not a good option or rated for this plz let me know as I am just now starting to look. Thank you

2005-2012 ish tow vehicles: Gasoline
Prefer a 1/2 ton IF it won't get pushed around like the Navigator:
F150 4x4 SuperCab
Chevy/Gmc 1500 SuperCab
2007+ Toyota Tundra SuperCab

Or if those will not be any better than the Navigator then:
F250
Chevy 2500
GMC 2500
Any others?
Not looking for huge, no 1 tons, duallys, etc
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:19 PM   #2
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Will you be buying a larger unit in the future?

I drive the 250 every day, I bought a Ford because they sold me what I wanted not what they told me I could not have.

I suggest you find one of each flavor and drive it, price them feature for feature and the buy the best deal for YOU.
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:29 PM   #3
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Thank for the response. Ideally i want to stick with a 1/2 ton. An F-150 SuperCab 4x4 or Chevy 1500 same setup is what I want but I want a truck that is not getting pushed around like the Navigator. I am hoping that the 1/2 ton Navi vs. 1/2 ton truck would be different just because it's an SUV v. TRUCK. Any input on this? Or a 3/4 ton more what I should be looking?
Not planning on getting a bigger unit anytime soon
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:52 PM   #4
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[QUOTE=rhino_160;1012378]Let me start this with this:
Plz do not bash other makes cause your a ford guy, Chevy guy, etc.... Just looking for honest, preferably first hand knowledge... I am looking at upgrading my tow vehicle and here's why (I would not sale my Navi if not for the following)

2000 Lincoln Navigator AWD w/ air ride pulling a 27' 2015 Avenger ATI W/ Ez Lift bars and sway control

While pulling, at times, I can really feel the TT push me in curves, wind really makes her rock, and of course large trucks and such cause me to white knuckle the steering wheel. I am just wanting something with more "butt" so it's not so stressful pulling the TT for 4-5 hours one way.
My friend that picked it up for me used a new 2500 GMC Denali Diesel truck and we never used the EZ lifts or sway bar. His truck never knew it was back there and we ran 75 up a mountain. Now his truck was way overkill being it was a turbo diesel but just the feeling of not being pushed around was a relief. These are my current thoughts on vehicles and please chime in with other options. Also, if one of these is not a good option or rated for this plz let me know as I am just now starting to look. Thank you

2005-2012 ish tow vehicles: Gasoline
Prefer a 1/2 ton IF it won't get pushed around like the Navigator:
F150 4x4 SuperCab
Chevy/Gmc 1500 SuperCab
2007+ Toyota Tundra SuperCab

Or if those will not be any better than the Navigator then:
F250
Chevy 2500
GMC 2500
Any others?
Not looking for huge, no 1 tons, duallys, etc[/QUOTE]

IMO I think you would find very little difference in the ride / stiffness between your Navigator and most 1500 1/2 ton trucks.

If you want to tow your TT with more confidence and with room to move up I would suggest at least a 2500 3/4 ton truck and possible in the Heavy Duty series.
Also look at the frame structure i.e. how the truck is built and compare the suspension options ...all this will give you a better idea for a good towing vehicle .

If you liked your friend's '2500 GMC Denali Diesel truck' why not look for one of those?
You won't get the same towing experience for a gasser. IMO

Not knocking the name...just an observation (video) I saw... re: the Toyota frame construction was much thinner / lighter than some of the other trucks.. perhaps over the years this has changed, if so I apologize.

I hope this helps

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I had about the same size TT and towed with Chevy 1500 with WD hitch and had no complaints what so ever I thought towed like it wasn't there. Then up grade to 2500HD and towed a lot better and lot more relaxing on those two lanes with trucks passing in both directors or with cross winds. Seems that the TT grow over time and some even morph into 5ers so going little big isn't a bad idea. I would recommend a 250/2500 of your choice and gas would give you higher payload, the weight of the diesel eats into the payload. The only warning I would give is gas torque curve is higher and you may see RPMs in 4000 to 5000 range while towing but that is not a bad thing.
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All I can tell you about is my experience with my diesels. I went from a F250 1994 IDI 7.3 to a 2015 6.7 POW'der stroke and I'm very happy with it. It pulls the 5ver with no issues what-so-ever up and down hills with the engine brake engaged. Set the cruise control at 60 and everything runs itself. At this time it is one of the best purchases I believe I have made. Hope this helps.
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There are a number of members here who do tow with a 150 or a 1500 who are happy with their setup.

If you do go with a 1/2 ton get one with a heavy tow package (camper special?) make sure it has LT tires and not 'P' metric.
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Old 10-17-2015, 05:42 PM   #8
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IMO for the money you cannot go wrong with the new Ram 2500 w/6.4 Hemi. They actually cost less than a F150 EB with HD upgrade - HD needed due to TT tongue weight plus people & cargo... The new Ram 3/4 tons have heavy coil springs in the rear vs. leaf springs (like my 2011), so the ride is smoother. If you don't go crazy on options you can get one for $35-$40K...

It's also fairly easy to find a used Ram (gasser) for a good price vs. diesel which demand a premium. In 2013 I found a 2011 Ram 2500 CC ST w/5.7 Hemi for $14K. My 34' TT is 8,300 ready-to-camp for a GCVW of near 15,000. With an affordable Equalizer 4 I had no problems traveling through the Smokies this summer even in high winds passing trucks, etc.

Even though I am the 2nd owner Ram has stood behind their 5 Year/100K mile Powertrain Warranty. IMO all ¾ & 1 tons are good choices but the Ram is less pricey & they are working hard to keep customers happy & improve their image.

My 3/4 ton has a payload of 3,000 so it can handle our 1300 lb. tongue, 700 lb. family of 5 (& big dog), 200 lb. fiberglass cap, plus bikes, firewood, kayaks, etc. BTW I LOVE having a fiberglass cap. Keeps stuff dry & makes for a really nice look. I will have to update my profile pic before I put TT in storage... TV & TT cost $35K combined & IMO we have it just as good as folks paying 2X that...
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there will be some difference between Navi and 1/2 ton truck as the Navi most likely has independent rear suspension and not a solid axle like a truck. Not as top heavy with a truck either. Still, you are swapping 1/2 ton for 1/2 ton. Don't count out bigger and/or diesel trucks because you think they are over kill or too expensive. Of course a Denali is big $$$. I drive a single rear wheel 1 ton. 2014 Chevy 3500 Duramax. Bought it new and paid less than what lot's of 1/2 tons cost. No, it doesn't beat you to death when empty either. Give all options a fair look before tossing them.
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My personal experience in upgrading from a 1500 to a 2500HD was night and day! I know of no 1500 that can tow the way ANY 2500HD can. Start with the fact that a 2500HD outweighs a 1500 by one and a half tons and all components are designed especially to tow. You can't expect less.
I only wish I had done it 20 years ago, but I had no clue as to the advantages of the larger/heavier trucks, not to mention diesel. My truck will probably outlast me. Would I do it again? You betcha!
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