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Old 08-03-2015, 11:22 PM   #1
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Not all trucks are created equal!

Seeing a lot of arguments, not just on this forum but on all forums!

Not all half tons, 3/4 tons or 1 tons are created equal! There are half ton configurations out there that have 2000pds of payload and 12000pds of towing capacity. Saying they are not safe may have some valid points but they are not illegal. This will continue to be true with some 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks, based on their configurations you can add up to 8000pds of towing and 2000pds of cargo give or take!

The legal standpoint right now is a blurry at best. Love to see an actual lawyer or insurance claim adjuster weigh in on this topic. I understand fully the aspect of criminal negligence and vehicular manslaughter. I really do not think anyone towing a camper in this day and age would get hit with either. I do think, based on how the legal system in especially the U.S. And insurance companies, fault for such is coming but not seeing it at this time. Trying to argue that point at this time is fruitless with those who do not share the opinion.

Ultimately what the RV and automotive dealers tell us is worthless, they are there to make the sale 99% of the time. Only the person making the purchase can ultimately decide what is right and wrong for them!

I had the pleasure of talking to a person who hauls campers for a living. Asked him about towing over the recommended limits and he stated, " scares the living blank out of me". Stated he has seen a number of guys trying to tow over their limits to make a living and people have lost their life.

Their is extreamist on both ends of this argument. There is lots of mis information on both sides and only the person knows their comfort level.

I towed a 28ft trailer with my Jeep Liberty because the RV dealer and jeep dealer told me no issues. I can tell you from experience there was issues. I went and picked up a trailer for a friend, was 9500pds and 34ft long, his 1500 which was legal. They got pushed about 3 feet into on coming traffic and scared his wife to the point he had to stop. In some cases the person towing when asked would state " it tows great". In this case it was not great.

Ultimately only we are responsible and have our own comfort zone! Regulation is coming, in the past it was not a problem but today there is over 200% more RVs on the road than 2000. This will creat added attention from all parties.

In the mean time little can be said what is legally right and wrong!
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Old 08-04-2015, 12:04 AM   #2
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To further make a point about not all trucks being equal, I had a 3/4 ton pick up with only 1500 lbs payload. It was great for my 7000 lb tt but definitely would not have tried it with my 12,300 lb fiver. I have had the misfortune of towing the 7000 lb tt with an Armada with a 9100 lb two capacity, told good to go by dealer. Oops it had an 800 lb payload. After white knuckle excursions at best and bring pushed down a 7% grade with properly utilizing the trailer brakes (prodigy p3 controller) and downshifting the engine we upgraded the TV. When shopping this time we carefully paired our combo looking at all specs of both rigs. IMHO this is the best way to do it. Not all are fortunate to do it that way though. I'm a big believer in understanding your weights, going to the cat scales to know a vehicles capabilities and then making sure the trailer purchase is within those capabilities. This is my comfort zone having had the bad experience towing outside of capabilities. YMMV.
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Old 08-04-2015, 02:27 AM   #3
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Not all half tons, 3/4 tons or 1 tons are created equal!
Never have been equal - probably never will be. That's why there's magic towing dust.
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Old 08-04-2015, 04:47 AM   #4
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And............ neither are we....... I always cringe when someone says I am comfortable with towing my 20K lb plus rig at 75 mph.... I'm bored if I go slower, it takes too long to get there........

Have you ever tried to stop when someone tries to pass you realizes they can't because there is traffic ahead and slams on their brakes and pulls in front of you instead of slowing gradually??? Happened to me on a two lane road years ago......... OR...... have traffic stopped & someone decides the traffic being stopped didn't apply to them so the nice empty left turn lane was theirs to travel down pulling their camper at a high rate of speed, when the mini van started pulling out it struck the pickup pulling the camper. The camper nearly lost it taking about 10 car lengths to stop. (Did I mention both lanes beside them in their direction were stopped)..... Damage to the mini van the pickup, the camper and several stopped cars minding their own business. They were less than 1/4 mile from the campground they were going to........ ruined vacation but at least no one was seriously injured ..........


I do not care what the tow vehicle and trailer is they just do not stop like cars or being solo........

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Old 08-04-2015, 05:30 AM   #5
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x2 on TT brakes not being adaquate, My TT Has self adjustig that didnt adjust , i didnt know that until i lost half the TV brakes , before that the TV was doing the braking for both.
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Old 08-04-2015, 12:14 PM   #6
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If people are this paranoid then why did you buy an RV. I have never with 3 generations of law enforcement in my family ever heard of someone being convicted of a crime because of the weight of there RV being towed by there truck. If you drive like your at Daytona that's a different story but a normal accident get a grip. Like I said if your this paranoid then it's time to sell your RV.
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And............ neither are we....... I always cringe when someone says I am comfortable with towing my 20K lb plus rig at 75 mph.... I'm bored if I go slower, it takes too long to get there........

Have you ever tried to stop when someone tries to pass you realizes they can't because there is traffic ahead and slams on their brakes and pulls in front of you instead of slowing gradually??? Happened to me on a two lane road years ago......... OR...... have traffic stopped & someone decides the traffic being stopped didn't apply to them so the nice empty left turn lane was theirs to travel down pulling their camper at a high rate of speed, when the mini van started pulling out it struck the pickup pulling the camper. The camper nearly lost it taking about 10 car lengths to stop. (Did I mention both lanes beside them in their direction were stopped)..... Damage to the mini van the pickup, the camper and several stopped cars minding their own business. They were less than 1/4 mile from the campground they were going to........ ruined vacation but at least no one was seriously injured ..........


I do not care what the tow vehicle and trailer is they just do not stop like cars or being solo........

On the way home from picking brand new TT up from dealer on I95 just south of DC, I was in right lane doing 55. Traffic was heavy and noticed that fast lane ( 3rd lane) was stopped. A van with 3 young kids in the back was easily doing 70 when they suddenly noticed traffic in front of them was stopped. They shot across two lanes and cut in front of me with rear wheels locked up. Certainly glad I had the extra margin salesman told me I did not need.
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We decided after a couple of years in our Shadow Cruiser, that we wanted a different camper. Tried to convince myself that we could pull a fiver with our current TV but just could not make the numbers work out. Call me chicken but I want to be in control when I am pulling my RV. We could not justify getting a different TV so we just upgraded the TT.
BTW... when we went with the heavier TT, I upped my umbrella coverage. It protects me and others.
Funny thing the new TT is a ton heavier but pulls better going down the highway. Much less lurching, in fact nearly none, when passed by a big truck. My speed is 60.. no more and sometimes less.


Have fun out there and be safe. Mike
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Thanks for sharing your knowledge of criminal negligence and vehicular manslaughter. However as you said this is your opinion. I think most here wont respond and give it a MEH.
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On the way home from picking brand new TT up from dealer on I95 just south of DC, I was in right lane doing 55. Traffic was heavy and noticed that fast lane ( 3rd lane) was stopped. A van with 3 young kids in the back was easily doing 70 when they suddenly noticed traffic in front of them was stopped. They shot across two lanes and cut in front of me with rear wheels locked up. Certainly glad I had the extra margin salesman told me I did not need.
Was it the margin you have or the fact that you were driving to the conditions you were in? The truck and RV in most cases is not the dangerous thing whether over loaded or not.

It's funny how many people thing guns kill people and forks make them fat.
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