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Old 09-24-2013, 06:53 AM   #61
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This is why Nissan and Toyota both started out with 4 cylinder engines and what do they make now? Come on, you can say it - V8's!

Yea, but their bread and butter still comes from their four bangers.
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:56 AM   #62
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A moped/motorcycle is measured in cubic Centimeters dude a vast difference from a cubic inch. 91 inches is a decent amount of motor to overcome thats like claiming a 327 is not all that much smaller than a 427 lol comical for sure.
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FWIW 1.5 liters (the difference here) is 1,500 cubic centimeters maybe that moped was actually a Harley

Glad you picked up on the "comical" part.

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Old 09-25-2013, 09:01 PM   #63
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With all the stats and opinions, after two camping seasons here are the facts:

Towing 8500# I'm at 65 long before the end of the highway ramp. I never slow down on any hills and pick up speed on hills passing trucks on the highway. Even with the pin over the center bed I spin my tires on wet roads if I'm not careful on take off. I get 21 mpg highway and 9.5 to 10 towing. (sticker says 21 and 24 without lower gear rear end, max tow pkg) With the 36 gallon tank I have great range. 6 speed transmission, haul mode with auto downshift to aid braking, and manual shift if preferred, it's never run hot. The tow package includes a built in trailer brake control, auto anti sway braking control, hide away side box steps, expanding mirrors, 11,300# tow cap and enough payload for my 5th wheel. Not bad for a 1/2 ton F150. Just the facts

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These fancy Echo engines have no history and will never last! Just like A.C / Power steering / power windows / Auto trans / all just passing fads !!
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:04 PM   #66
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Drive them both. I did and there is no comparison. I would have been very happy with the v8 but the boost is a beast.

Diesel feel at a gasser price works for me. I too love the rumble of a v8 but there is a lot of tech in the boost engine and it is obvious when towing. Longevity? Who knows but so far bulletproof for me.
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No doubt forced induction is the key element here a turbo charger(s) WILL replace displacement.

Here is a dyno comparing a V8 5.0 F150 and an V6 ecoboost 3.5 same trucks same gear ratio same 4WD same day same dyno. Have a look at the torque curve and tell me there no replacement for displacement. Peak trq@2,900 rpms out of a gasser is simply awesome for towing

Great info... Thanks. However, I wonder what the comparisons will be when both have 150K miles on them. Pulling with a gasser and all that boost will be hard on the V-6. Maybe FoMoCo knows what they're doing... I'll stick with my 5.0 for now... unless I trade up to a heavier TT. At that point an oil burner is in order.
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One more thing to consider. When I was evaluating what to pull 8500# with, how about cost. I saw a range from 35k for what I bought and 45k and more as alternative 3/4 ton V8's and diesels.

Now if I went to a 10,000# or more 5th wheel I'd be in a whole other tow vehicle class and would have to spend more than 45k.
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I think this one has been beat to death. So far off the op's original subject it is pathetic. Time to close this one down.
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