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Old 06-20-2013, 10:50 PM   #11
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Trailer is an xlite Cougar 26BHS. My confusion grows as more members respond. So is my dealer wrong in his opinion? I'm going to email him regarding the WD hitch.

Curb Weight - GVWR= Tongue wt 2010 according to a towing weight site.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:04 PM   #12
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Just to help clear the confusion. Regardless of what the dealer says, you need a WDH with some form of sway control. If your payload (cargo) is 1375, you only have approximately 600lbs remaining (with trailer tongue weight around 700). Just don't put too much gear in the truck bed. Put the stuff into the trailer. Only take what you need to cut down on the total weight.
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:21 AM   #13
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that 6000lbs. number you quoted, appears to be the brochure "dry" weight, not its actual weight when it leaves the factory.
that number is for a stripped-down version of the trailer and NO trailer weighs its brochure "dry" weight.
for a TT, you can usually add 400-500lbs. to that number to get an approx. weight when it leaves the factory.
that's also a nearly 30' trailer with a loaded tongue weight nearing 1000lbs. and NO WAY should you be towing that size of a trailer without a WDH and sway control. its bogus "dry" tongue weight is 710lbs.

loaded for camping, for a family, you'll be close to 7000lbs.

another bit of advise that is common for newbies:
Never believe the saleman/dealer. all they want to do is close the deal.
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:56 PM   #14
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I spoke to the dealer again yesterday. He responded today that, yes, I would need and WD hitch to properly tow the trailer. He apologized for not recommending this at the outset.

I feel better after getting the advice from members regarding this issue. There is a lot of confusion and differing numerous opinions on this issue. I am ordering a WD hitch this week, to be installed.

Once done, and when I have more questions, I will be posting again. I will, of course, be reading everything I can on the forum.

Thanks for the advice everyone. Great to be here!
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Old 06-21-2013, 06:23 PM   #15
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How many people in your family? How much stuff do you intend to take in the truck? How much stuff do you intend to take in the truck bed?

It's possible and even likely that you will be over your ratings pulling this trailer.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:35 PM   #16
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Two adults, one dog, a week's worth of food, some outdoor camping stuff (folding chairs, towels, bedding, etc) perhaps 500-600 lbs. We'll get our water at the campsite.

This is our first tow with a TT. I drove in the military, Deuce and a half's with trailers. I taught others to drive. Our destination is only 4 hours away, so a short trip to begin with. We are going for one week.

With a WD hitch, we should be ok.

More research to go.
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Something to remember is that the tires on the TT are only rated for a probably 65 MPH. Just don't get into a hurry and you will be fine. Just make sure you set up your hitch according to the truck manual. You will get squat but , as long as the front doesn't rise a considerable amount you will be fine. I believe that Ford recommends that you put the weight of the trailer on the hitch without the weight bars first. Then you load it on the bars till you get the front to go back down half of the height that it went up.

One thing I know for sure is that a lot of the camper places don't know how to properly set up a WD hitch. You a better to learn for yourself then verify that It is done correctly.
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:40 PM   #18
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For sure. I am looking at the Andersen hitch. Looks interesting, and easier to set up. We are renting, so it will have to be connected and disconnected when we return the trailer. I have contacted them to determine which size to go with.
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Old 06-22-2013, 12:53 PM   #19
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Trailer is an xlite Cougar 26BHS. My confusion grows as more members respond. So is my dealer wrong in his opinion? I'm going to email him regarding the WD hitch.

Curb Weight - GVWR= Tongue wt 2010 according to a towing weight site.
GVWR - actual weight (some say curb weight) = payload (yours is probably in the area of 1300 lbs)

Payload is max weight you have available for passengers, cargo, WD hitch (average 75 - 100 lbs), and tongue weight.

Two trucks with same make and model, can have different payloads, due to manufacturer, dealer, or customer installed options. Everything (4X4, bed covering, nerf bars, bed liner, etc, even floor mats) added to the truck, takes away from payload. To get most accurate payload, weigh the truck and subtract that from GVWR.

A trailer with 6000 lb advertised empty weight, will weight around 7000 lbs loaded for camping.

Tongue weight averages 12% of loaded trailer weight. (7000 lbs X 12% = 840 lbs tongue weight). No doubt you need WD hitch.

It is very easy to overload payload before you reach vehicle's max tow rating.

Towing at max weight can be quite unpleasant, if not unsafe.
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:10 PM   #20
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Ok. I have looked on the door plate, the manual I have for the truck, and Ford-posted sites: Ford Towing Guide and 2012 Ford Towing Specifications. Here are the numbers:

The trailer has an (assumed) dry weight of just under 6,000 lbs. I will be using a weight distributing hitch. I have the tow package and the brake controller in the cab.

Owners Manual: 2012 F150 XTR 4x4 157 Bed, 3.73 Rear End, 136L Gas Tank.

GCWR 15,100 lbs
Max Trailer WD Capacity 11,300
Max Tongue Weight 1,130
Max Trailer Weight 9,100

Truck Door Jamb Sticker

Front GAWR 3,900
Rear 3,850
GVWR 7,350
Vehicle and Cargo Max 1,375 Tire Sticker

Ford Towing Guide

Max Tow Weight 11,300 (No Cargo)
Conventional Tow GCWR 15,100
Max Loaded Trailer Wt. 9,100
Weight Dist Hitch Max Trailer Capacity 11,300
Weight Dist Hitch Max Tongue Capacity 1,130

2012 Ford Technical Specifications

GVW 5,716 lbs

According to the Ford Towing Guide:

GVW is 5,716
Passengers 400lbs= 6,116 lbs
Loaded Trailer Weight approximately 7,000 lbs with cargo
Yields Gross Combination Weight (GCW) of 13,116 lbs

My GCWR is 15,100

Does this look correct? It looks like I have some "left over" capacity, about 2,000 lbs.

Am I good to go??

Thanks for the help and ongoing advice everyone.
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