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Old 03-30-2013, 09:24 AM   #11
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Great post, Bob.

This reflects my own experiences. I tow a trailer that is only 60% of the truck maximum weight rating of 9300 lbs. But by the time I hang that 700 tongue on the bumper, load up the wife and dog, my bicycles, a canoe, and some camping gear in the truck bed, I am within about 100 lbs. of my GVWR. I still have a ways to go before reaching my GCWR because of the lite weight of the trailer.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:45 AM   #12
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Payload can be a real issue on "1/2 ton" trucks.
Many trucks START with a payload of 1,300 to 1,500 pounds vs the 1820 on my truck. And my trailer is on the smaller side. I'll bet that a substantial number of TVs are inadvertently overloaded. It's something to think about.
We have seen more than our fair share of posters pulling fifth wheels with trucks that are little more than grocery-getters, exceeding their payload capacity with just the pin weight.
And they have to put air bags on the rear axle to keep the rear bumper off the ground.
And they say that it "pulls like a dream".
But is it safe? I wouldn't think so.
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I would be willing to bet that the same goes for the 3/4 ton crowd...I know mine started going away fast. After my truck is setup to tow, myself, wife, and DD I only had about 200lbs more payload than you do.
I can tell I'm over on my F250 by 300 lbs.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:11 AM   #14
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I'm working the same thing out. Loaded ready to go in my Titan with the wife and dogs and NOTHING else in the truck. I have a whole 32 lbs left of payload. Going to look at a 2010 F350 today.
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Old 03-30-2013, 12:19 PM   #15
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I'm glad that this post has triggered some "figurin'" !!

To my mind, it's one thing to mechanically tax your truck. But whole other more significant realms are safety (what about an emergency situation) and legal (you are involved in an accident and are found to be overloaded). I don't want to lose my family and/or life savings.

Speaking of liability, have you looked into an umbrella liability policy? They are really cheap and you can easily get coverage of a couple of million dollars. Not so crazy in today's world of lawsuits. (Not trying to start a lawsuit sidebar here!)
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:08 PM   #16
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Fantastic post Bob!!

I have a pretty good sized trailer in the 15K territory. Of course the salesman said "Your 1 ton will be just fine" NOT!!

I also see some tripple axle toy haulers going down the road on SRW trucks and I know for sure they are over weight!! Tires have ratings too!!




I wanted some play room so I bought an F450 with 5260lbs of payload and I am not too close but out of that much I only have 1k left. The trailers assumed dry pin weight of 1850 is out of wack by almost 600lbs (585lbs) when it is hooked up empty. The RV manufacturers also grossly under rate their products in my opinion.
Kind of scarry if you ask me.

Be safe out there folks, it is really up to us because no one else is going to do it for us.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:19 PM   #17
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I wanted some play room so I bought an F450 with 5260lbs of payload
Post a picture of that bad boy! I've never seen one.
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I can tell I'm over on my F250 by 300 lbs.
I'm over my GVWR as well, but under on everything else.
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That's interesting. The available payload in our F250 is 1600 lbs. For a bigger truck, you don't necessarily get more payload. I guess we pay a penalty though because our truck is a long bed, super cab and 4WD which all add weight to the vehicle. Don't know the weight of the canopy we are about to add either, which will drop the available payload more.

Our truck is rated to tow 12,500 lbs. If we were to tow the max (which we never would), there wouldn't much payload left after the DW and dog got in. It would appear in some cases your trailer weight could be limited by the available payload and not the rated towing capacity.

Got it. All clear as mud now...
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That's interesting. The available payload in our F250 is 1600 lbs. For a bigger truck, you don't necessarily get more payload. I guess we pay a penalty though because our truck is a long bed, super cab and 4WD which all add weight to the vehicle. Don't know the weight of the canopy we are about to add either, which will drop the available payload more.

Our truck is rated to tow 12,500 lbs. If we were to tow the max (which we never would), there wouldn't much payload left after the DW and dog got in. It would appear in some cases your trailer weight could be limited by the available payload and not the rated towing capacity.

Got it. All clear as mud now...
Yep, on an F250 towing a 5th wheel, cc will be met way before you meet towing capacity.
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