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Old 10-17-2015, 10:28 AM   #51
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My starting point finding a 5er that my 2500 can carry and pull is to first look at those that the mfg says are "half-ton" towable. It seems that most of those work out nicely loaded on a 3/4 ton truck. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it ;-)
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Old 10-17-2015, 12:24 PM   #52
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It’s really hard to figure pin weights without bring you truck and 5er to the scales. My 5er on the website was showing a 19% of 5er weight on the pin for 1953. It has CCC of 2427 so I figured staying with the 19% I took 19% of CCC of 2427, which is 461lbs so, add that to 1953 you have SWAG of 2414 max pin weight with the 5er at 12,350 lbs.
My sticker on the truck states a CCC of 3744. I brought the truck to the scales with my wife, me, the hitch, rubber bed mat, full tank of fuel, small tool bag and normal stuff you carry in truck. The scale weight was steer axle weighted 4740 (diesel engine) and rear axle weight 3480 for total weight of 8220. Now subtract that from 11500 GVWR leaves you with real truck CCC of max of 3280.
My 5er scale weight was 11,380 with a pin weight of 2740, which is 24.1% of the gross weight of the 5er jumping up from 19%. The 5er jumped from advertized weight of 9926 and 19% to 11380 and 24.1% pin weight. Max Gross Weight of the 5er is 12,350 assuming the percentage stayed at 24.1 that would give a pin of 2976. Which would give me a margin 304 before exceeding my max GVWR of 11,500.
Now if I took that same 24.1% pin weight times my max towing of 15,000 that would a pin weight of 3615 which would exceed the 11,500 GVWR. You don’t know till you hit scales what the real percentage will be.

I have friend that weight his at it weight 14,350 and had pin weight of 3040 pin weight and about 21% of gross weight and his advertized pin weight was right at 20% but it was not FR product.

I do have all the weight tickets if someone is interested in checking my numbers.
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Old 10-17-2015, 12:54 PM   #53
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Would you venture a swag on my 12 Flagstaff 8528RKWS pin wt? I know exactly what it is with the front loaded and the kitchen completely empty of food, etc.
My 8528RKWS has a pin weight of 1550 pounds (18%) loaded and ready to roll. The 8528RKWS is one of the lightest pin weight 5er unit that Forest River sells. The factory brochure lists it as 1089 pounds.

I am overweight on payload according to my door tag. As my sig says, I drive a F250 diesel 4X4. I upgraded to heavier rear springs and have tires and wheels that are rated way above what I need. It tows like a dream through the Rocky Mountains or wherever. Door payload stickers are not the final word on what can be towed safely.
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Old 10-17-2015, 01:00 PM   #54
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My 8528RKWS has a pin weight of 1550 pounds (18%) loaded and ready to roll...
That is a LOT heavier than mine and I actually measured the pin wt with my Sherline Gauge. I am in the process of eliminating some junk in the front bay and TOWTA is in the process of loading the rear kitchen cabinets which were completely empty when I measured the wt. Will measure it again when the front is de-junked and the kitchen is loaded.
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15,000lb 5er is going to have a minimum safe pin weight of ~2,250lbs. Up to 3750lbs. Let's assume 2250...

How much does your hitch weigh? ~200lbs
Wife? ~120lbs
Kids?
Transfer tanks and fuel?
Blocking?
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That 2700 is gone in a hurry assuming minimum safe pin weight.
Hitch 200
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Blocks in trailer

The minimum safe weight for the Pin according to who? What trailer are you quoting? %
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My 8528RKWS has a pin weight of 1550 pounds (18%) loaded and ready to roll. The 8528RKWS is one of the lightest pin weight 5er unit that Forest River sells. The factory brochure lists it as 1089 pounds.

I am overweight on payload according to my door tag. As my sig says, I drive a F250 diesel 4X4. I upgraded to heavier rear springs and have tires and wheels that are rated way above what I need. It tows like a dream through the Rocky Mountains or wherever. Door payload stickers are not the final word on what can be towed safely.
X2 Stickers are a guide.
Same as a pack of smokes, warning label on the front. People still smoke.
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Mtelkman From the factory specs of 14% yours jumped 4% to 18% - mine jumped 5% from 19% to 24%. Seems there is a tread here.
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That is a LOT heavier than mine and I actually measured the pin wt with my Sherline Gauge. I am in the process of eliminating some junk in the front bay and TOWTA is in the process of loading the rear kitchen cabinets which were completely empty when I measured the wt. Will measure it again when the front is de-junked and the kitchen is loaded.
Mine was weighed at an Oregon DOT truck scale so they only give you rounded numbers. 5er total weight was 8450 pounds (labeled max capacity is 9181). Unhooked tow vehicle rear 3150 pounds, with "Dora the Explorer" hooked up the rear weight is 4700. I have 2 group 27 batteries and a 3 drawer tool box in the front storage.
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X2 Stickers are a guide.
Same as a pack of smokes, warning label on the front. People still smoke.
Yep, like saying speed limits are just guide to safe speeds but you can safely exceed them.
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Mine was weighed at an Oregon DOT truck scale so they only give you rounded numbers. 5er total weight was 8450 pounds (labeled max capacity is 9181). Unhooked tow vehicle rear 3150 pounds, with "Dora the Explorer" hooked up the rear weight is 4700. I have 2 group 27 batteries and a 3 drawer tool box in the front storage.
Yours did the same thing mine did. You added 805lbs of cargo and the pin weight jumped 461 lbs. I added about 1180 lbs and 760 lbs went to the pin weight. People told me that couldn't happen but I see you are another one that the same thing happened to.
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