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Old 10-17-2015, 02:10 PM   #61
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With the big three truck manufactures are scrambling to get the highest payload and towing capacity for bragging rights why don’t they rate the CCC right at the Max Axles Ratings instead of down grading them. Do the engineers at the truck makers know something we don’t know about the capacity of the entire truck not just the rear axle? Even the duel rear wheel trucks are rated well below there Axle Ratings.

Could it be that the CCC is static rating and that towing weight varies going down hill or putting on the brakes and engineers are allowing for the weight shift by keep the CCC weight below axle weights. I don’t know but I sticking with the CCC that engineer assign to the truck. It’s called CYA in the sue happen county we live in.


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Old 10-17-2015, 04:08 PM   #62
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The minimum safe weight for the Pin according to who? What trailer are you quoting? %
5ers it is recommended to run minimum of 15% of trailer weight on the pin.

TT it's 10%.

The factory hitch/pin weights are based on dry weight and standard features. Add in options, full propane tanks, stuff in your pass through like BBQ grill, food, toiletries, bedding, clothes, water, etc... it's just going to grow. This is proven by others here who have listed their actual #'s. Toy haulers generally have higher dry pin weights to offset large cargo weights placed at the rear of the RV.
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:17 PM   #63
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5ers it is recommended to run minimum of 15% of trailer weight on the pin.

TT it's 10%.

The factory hitch/pin weights are based on dry weight and standard features. Add in options, full propane tanks, stuff in your pass through like BBQ grill, food, toiletries, bedding, clothes, water, etc... it's just going to grow. This is proven by others here who have listed their actual #'s. Toy haulers generally have higher dry pin weights to offset large cargo weights placed at the rear of the RV.
Hello, I do know this drittal, been towing since the 70's. My trailer is 9500 lbs and Calculated Pin is 1900 lbs based upon all my scaled weights fully loaded. I certainly am not at 2250 pin, no way with a Ultralight Rockwood.
The trailer we are looking at the 15% pin weight is 2075 lbs. Still way under the maximum I have available. Can still go rock hounding in Northern Ontario and make it home!

I take my unit to the scales and check it every season and when traveling if weigh station is closed I can weigh all axles on DOT for free. On the F 150 I was over. F250 never, even using F350 specs I am golden. My truck has a camper package that adds 450 CCC to base tow specs.
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:37 PM   #64
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H. My truck has a camper package that adds 450 CCC to base tow specs.
But you are still limited to 10,000 GVWR even with the camper package. Truck plus camper has be less than 10,000 lbs.

F250 4x4 crewcab 172" wb 10,000 gvwr 6.7 diesel Max Camper Weight is 1586 lbs

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Old 10-17-2015, 04:57 PM   #65
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I can pull all modest sized 5er up to 15,000 lbs.
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Hello, I do know this drittal, been towing since the 70's. My trailer is 9500 lbs and Calculated Pin is 1900 lbs based upon all my scaled weights fully loaded. I certainly am not at 2250 pin, no way with a Ultralight Rockwood.
15% of 15,000lb fifth wheel you claim you can safely pull is 2250lbs. That was where I got that number.

Your ultra light trailer has 20%. Would you be within your payload with 20% pin weight of 15,000?
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Hello, I do know this drittal, been towing since the 70's. My trailer is 9500 lbs and Calculated Pin is 1900 lbs based upon all my scaled weights fully loaded... with a Ultralight Rockwood.
This really makes my point. You have the highest payload I have seen on a diesel 250/2500.

Your ultra light fifth wheel has a scaled pin weight that would be within 200lbs of maxing a standard 3/4ton diesel payload, leaving little to no room for passengers or fur babies.
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This really makes my point. You have the highest payload I have seen on a diesel 250/2500.

Your ultra light fifth wheel has a scaled pin weight that would be within 200lbs of maxing a standard 3/4ton diesel payload, leaving little to no room for passengers or fur babies.
B & B payload "Lawyer Sticker" is some around 2300 but he was told by his salesman that the camper package added 450 lbs to CCC. I ask my dealer and he ask the Mid West area Ford trainer and they both said it did not add anything to the CCC and still limited to a 10,000 GVWR with or without the camper package.

My payload on 2500hd diesel was 2475 but loaded with me, wife, fuel, hitch and misc stuff we were just under 2,000 real CCC.
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If anything the extra spring and sway bar reduced the available payload by their weights.
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This is not a crew cab truck guys. Try again.
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But you are still limited to 10,000 GVWR even with the camper package. Truck plus camper has be less than 10,000 lbs.

F250 4x4 crewcab 172" wb 10,000 gvwr 6.7 diesel Max Camper Weight is 1586 lbs

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