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Old 06-07-2013, 08:14 PM   #1
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I'm considering upgrading to a larger travel trailer, a Palomino Solaire 267BHKS. It's 31 ft long, 8 ft wide and weighs in at 5290 lbs dry with a GVWR of 7880 lbs. The only thing that I'm concerned about is the high tongue weight which is listed at 885 lbs dry. (Not exactly sure how they came up with that high a dry tongue weight. If you assume 12% of trailer weight equals tongue weight that would be 634 lbs dry or 945 lbs at max GVWR.)

I have a '12 Nissan Titan CC 4x4 with a GVWR of 7200 lbs, curb weight of 5490 lbs and class IV hitch rated at 10,000 lbs and max tongue weight of 910 lbs. I don't usually haul much in the bed of the Titan other than some firewood, maybe a bag or two of charcoal and some miscellaneous tools (say 400 lbs) and then me the wife and 2 kids, 2 dogs up in the cab (500 lbs max). In the trailer will be the bedding, luggage, some chairs and 2 or 3 coolers full of food, drinks (500-600 lbs). Add another 250 lbs for propane, spare tire, A/C unit, and fuel. I'll be using my Equalizer 1000/10,000 WD-SC hitch too.

I don't plan on ever adding more than 800 lbs of stuff to the trailer so if I assume the generally used 12% for tongue weight that gives me high estimate of 6500 lbs max trailer weight w/780 lb tongue weight.
Do these calculations seem accurate? Anyone think that tongue weight might be too much for this setup and the Titan tow package?
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:48 PM   #2
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I'm surprised how high the dry tongue weight is on that floorplan and you still have to add propane and battery(s). Sometimes the manufacturer would do that if storage areas/layout would reduce the tongue weight when the camper is loaded. I don't see that in this floorplan as most storage is on or in front of the camper's axles. I'm at a loss to see how you'd get the loaded tongue weight down...it's 16.7% based on dry weights.

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Old 06-07-2013, 09:01 PM   #3
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I would call them and ask. It seems extremely high.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:25 PM   #4
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On my TT is 863, ship weight 7,782.
My Tundra pulls and tow the camper fine, your dealer also will help you with the numbers and all you need to tow the camper, that said, you don't need to buy all that they will suggest. Shop around for WDH, sway bar and all that. And belive me, lots of info here, great forum for that! You'll go a little crazy with the "weight police" here, but it's all in good intent.
My dealer did not let me take delivery of my new camper until confirm the tv was good for it.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:46 PM   #5
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I had a 05 Nissan Titan I pulled a toy hauler with weight very similar. But mine was only 26 feet long but my tongue weight was very close to 1000 pounds. Remember a properly adjusted WD hitch will only put 80% of that weight on your truck. So although my tongue was 1000 pounds with my hitch only 800 was on the truck. My Titans gvw was 6522 so I was over every time I towed. My old Titan pulled my camper quite well. Yours should do the same. Good luck.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:51 PM   #6
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Yea its weird. They also have a 7' wide model the Solaire 7 25BHSS. It is 29.5 ft long, 7' wide, has a 4777 lb dry weight and lists the dry tongue weight at 545 lbs. Way under the 267BHKS even though its only a 500 lb weight difference and 1/2 ft length difference.
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:01 PM   #7
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I think you're in a great position - you have the truck, the stuff and can go get it weighed. From that, you can take the published GVWR and determine what your actual available payload is. Sometimes the number will shock you- for my family of 4 (1 kid's in a booster, 1 kid's in an carseat) and the few add-one we have, we come to 1,200 pounds alone (now that does include our gooseneck hitch and fifth wheel companion and a metal rolltop cover)- but it all adds up. There are CAT Scales all over and places like dumps and quarries that you can get quick weights on.

That said- the higher tongue weight could be simply that the trailer's axles are further back, or it's a front-heavy floorplan. But, I don't think it's ever realistic that the wet weight of the camper is going to be lower than the advertised dry weight. Heck, I just wish the dry weights were more realistic and in this case, it may be. But short of it being a typo - it is what it is and it's the minimum that you should plan for.

I do also think you may be betting a bit low on the trailer weight and how much you'll load in given that the dry weights don't include batteries, propane, any water that you choose to carry or anything else. IMO, it's better to plan conservatively than regret it later.

As for the dealer pointing you in the right direction- one can hope. But, I think a far better plan is to go into the purchase armed with knowledge of your truck, your weights and make a decision from there. Even if it is to knowingly exceed one or more of your truck's ratings.
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:07 PM   #8
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I have the Solaire 267 BHSK, and bought it Dec 8th and love it. I have an 09 tundra with the 5.7 engine. I do however keep the weight in the truck to a minimum. bikes, chocks and the rear bumper grill. i used to carry a big ice chest with my old camper but now i dont need one. i typically run at 60-63MPH just above 2000 rpms, theres a sweet spot that it just seems to ride better.
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Howellma do you think you'd benefit any with the 7 ft wide version over the 8 ft one given nearly the same length? I'm wondering how much wind resistance it would reduce.
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I'm surprised how high the dry tongue weight is on that floorplan and you still have to add propane and battery(s). Sometimes the manufacturer would do that if storage areas/layout would reduce the tongue weight when the camper is loaded. I don't see that in this floorplan as most storage is on or in front of the camper's axles. I'm at a loss to see how you'd get the loaded tongue weight down...it's 16.7% based on dry weights.

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If you have a look at axle placement on this trailer there seems to be about a 70/30 split to the body positioning which makes the tongue so high. Should tow very well with low sway with the axles so far back
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