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Old 03-27-2016, 07:06 AM   #1
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Question on hitch weight

Can anyone tell me if the published hitched weight of the grey wolf 26dbh includes propane and / or battery. I am guessing no to the battery but not sure about propane. I'm reading some posts that say no and others that say since 2013 manufacturers are required to include full propane in published weights.

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Old 03-27-2016, 08:34 AM   #2
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Generally speaking, this is pretty hotly contested. IMO, you should use the Contact Us page on the Forest River site and ask them directly as none of us really know for certain.
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Old 03-27-2016, 08:44 AM   #3
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I know our 30# propane tanks Full weight 56# each! Batt can vary on #! Scales Must be used for "True T/W"! Youroo!!
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Old 03-27-2016, 11:16 AM   #4
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Published hitch weights have never included battery weight. Varies too much while propane weight is consistent.
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Old 03-28-2016, 12:08 PM   #5
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Figure empty tanks and no battery. This is the way they come from the factory. Propane is supposed to be included in the UVW, but I have never seen any literature saying it is included in the published TW.


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The following statement is from page #20 of the 2016 owner’s manual in the link provided below. Elsewhere in the manual FR says they weigh every trailer before it leaves the factory. From that I assume the battery weight would be part of UVW if installed when the trailer is weighed.

UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) * - Is the typical weight of the RV as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the RV’s axle(s) and tongue or pin and LP Gas. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh potable water, additional optional equipment or dealer installed accessories.

http://idn.tweddle.com/bundle/showItem?
market=US&brand=Forest_River_RV&model=Travel_Trail er&year=2016&language=EN_US&itemtype=PDF

Anything the dealer
installs/adds is required to be subtracted from the cargo capacity if it meets the requirements of the regulation by weight.
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The dealer installs the battery. The factory adds in propane weight to the UVW even though the tanks are empty. The question is whether either of these is included in the published tongue weight.


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Tongue weight

My 2014 Surveyor Sp264RKS has a listed mfg tongue weight of 623 #. But my tongue weight with a battery and (2) 30# tanks full pushes my actual TW to775# I use a Sherline weight scale. In my case the battery and full LP tanks are not included in the Mfg specifications TW of a dry trailer.
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So if the dealer installs the battery, what powers the brakes during delivery if the trailer were to come loose? Does each transport driver carry his own battery that he installs in the TT while delivering?
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So if the dealer installs the battery, what powers the brakes during delivery if the trailer were to come loose? Does each transport driver carry his own battery that he installs in the TT while delivering?
This has been tossed around before,Most say the "transporter" that way they know if the Batt is Charged! Youroo!!
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The dealer installs the battery. The factory adds in propane weight to the UVW even though the tanks are empty. The question is whether either of these is included in the published tongue weight.


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The regulations for RV trailer manufacturers to follow to establish a hitch/pin weight is not in print where I can find it. All I’ve ever been able to find is it must be established. Manufacturers are not consistent with the figures. Probably because the center of gravity for each trailer design is different.

The regulations describe a single purpose for the manufacturer’s hitch/pin weight. During the certification process it is added to the trailer’s total GAWR, the sum must equal or be grater than the trailer’s GVWR.

Once the trailer is sold the new owner becomes totally responsible for all subsequent hitch/pin weights. In other words, when you loaded it you figure it out.

End note: Most trailer batteries for travel trailers will not weigh enough for the dealer to change the cargo label unless they also add other options that would increase the added weight to the point where it becomes reportable. See FMVSS 571.110.
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