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Old 01-15-2014, 02:45 PM   #11
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It will not add up to a lot but some of the weight is unsprung as well so the axle does not see the weight but the scale does.
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:13 PM   #12
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It will not add up to a lot but some of the weight is unsprung as well so the axle does not see the weight but the scale does.

Is this like the axle itself and the wheels and tires?
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:34 PM   #13
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Well anything not sprung, so ya the wheel, hub, axle (depending on design) brakes etc. So if you have a leaf spring axle anything under the spring is not loading the axle, sort of...
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:58 PM   #14
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Ahhh, good point...
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Also, many popups don't have brakes. My '88 Coleman Sequoia didn't. However, I think more of them are coming with brakes these days than back then.
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Old 01-16-2014, 01:09 AM   #16
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You're right that the Dryweight being the weight without the propane tank and battery.. the dealer puts on the propane tank and battery.. at least that's what I was told. I'll have to check the hitch pin.. I thought I saw something on the hitch where it said no more than 1000lbs but I dont think thats what you're talking about?
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the yellow sticker will include the weight of the tank/tanks, since that's installed at the factory.
whereas the battery's weight is not included in the yellow sticker weight, since it's installed by the dealer and can be different weights, especially if the buyer wants a Group 27 or 29.

here's a link to my white weight sticker, which lists the GVWR minus the UVW minus the FW water weight minus the two tank propane weight, to get the actual CCC.

http://www.forestriverforums.com/Pho...puser=331&sl=b

i assume the newer yellow stickers are factored the same way.
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Old 01-18-2014, 02:46 AM   #18
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You're right

You're right bikendan.. I just went to the RV place to drop off the trailer because the bed doesnt pull out right since I got it so they need to fix it. Anyway I was talking to the sales people and they said the GVWR includes one LP tank empty, but the other stuff like propane gas, battery.. they dont include. So that's helpful to know. The repair/services guys had said that it didnt include any of it. I also found out that there were several other things they didnt know, so I will go with the sales people for this situation.
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Old 01-18-2014, 07:41 AM   #19
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Lots of confusion on trailer terms.

"Dry Weight" - This brochure weight - Lightest weight printed shows weight "as designed" with no options (mandatory or otherwise." No propane tanks, no AC, no battery, no awning, no TV, etc.

"Dry Pin/Tongue Weight" - The above camper's weight not carried by the wheels on the camper. You will never see this number either.

"ULW" - "Unladen Weight" - The yellow sticker "out the factory door" weight. This is the weight of the camper as it left the factory floor. NO battery, NO propane, NO water, but does include ALL FACTORY installed options. You will never see a pin/tongue weight with this number.

NOTE: Options installed by the dealer are NOT included. (Like full propane tanks, battery(s), vent covers, better wheels/tires, or anything you add.)

"GVWR" - Gross Vehicle Weight Rating" - The maximum the camper can weight UNHOOKED from the TV. Connecting a weight distribution hitch can INCREASE the actual weight on the camper's wheels by shifting tongue weight back onto the camper's tires, so it is critical to weigh the camper both unhooked and hooked up to make sure you do not overload the camper's axles or tires.

"GAWR" - "Gross Axle Weight Rating" - The maximum weight each axle is rated to carry. The actual load on each axle will be different, so each axle should be weighted separately. The total camper gross weight will be more than the sum of the axles because some of the camper's weight MUST be carried by the tow vehicle (pin/tongue weight).

"Rule of Thumb" for safe towing/loading is different for 5th wheels and Travel Trailers.

For safe Handling and Towing:

5th Wheels - 15% to 25% of total camper weight must ride on the truck's hitch. Thus a 10,000 pound camper must have a pin weight between 1500 - 2500 pounds to be safely towed. Optimum handling occurs at 20% of trailer to pin loading (2,000 pounds for a 10,000 pound camper).

Travel Trailers - 10% - 15% of total camper weight must ride on the truck's hitch BEFORE redistribution! Thus a 10,000 pound camper must have a tongue weight between 1000 - 1500 pounds to be safely towed. Optimum handling occurs at 12% of trailer to pin loading (1,200 pounds for a 10,000 pound camper). Weight distributing hitch's DO NOT REDUCE ACTUAL PIN LOAD. Your frame receiver and hitch assembly see the entire load all the time. It will only move SOME of that load to the truck's front and camper's tires during travel.

Hope this helps.
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