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Old 02-27-2013, 02:58 PM   #31
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Ford doesn't offer a V10, but gm did away with their big block 8.1l v8 as well. Fords newer 6.2l gasser has plenty if grunt from what I've heard, but i am partial (right now) to our V10.
The 6.2 gas is a good combo for the F250. I'm pulling a 13,400 lb 5th wheel. No issues with power.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:09 PM   #32
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Some people don't have to he money for a bigger truck. Higher registration costs, probably higher insurance.
It's really the fact that I can't bring myself to spend that much money on a vehicle. 2011 F250's with 25K-50K miles are running $35K and up here - unless I want a stripped down, regular cab model or one that someone has managed to rack up 90K miles on in 2 years. You won't touch a 2013 for under 50 - stripped or not. $50,000? Boy, times have changed in a short amount of time. There are some good buys out there. It just takes a little longer to find them.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:22 AM   #33
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I assume the trucks are competitive in price- can't see ford charging $5-10k more than chevy or dodge and being the top seller - they're not that much better (if better at all).

Our silverado was $32500 out the door (tax, reg all included in that figure). Sticker was $42k. I didn't see many 2500's and yes, the diesel 3500's were over 50k, but not much if you avoided the loaded ones.

Since ours will be a daily driver we opted for a 1500 and 5.3 - the 'max tow' 1500 gets you the 6 or 6.2 gas engine and more towing but not much more. A 2500 was about $3-5k more but most had the 6/6.2 i(forget which, maybe both depending on what truck/trans/options). Rougher ride, higher ride height, more cost, worse mileage - since the 1500 (properly equipped) would tow what we needed - and then some- that was our choice.
If you plan on a 5th wheel you'll need a 2500/250 for the extra payload for the pin weight that comes with the bigger truck.
We've got a GCWR of 14k or 15k and towing of 9500 and GVWR of 7k. TT weights 5335 delivered, guessing (no scales handy locally) 6300 loaded.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:51 AM   #34
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I agree on the prices... too high!

I would stay away from the 6.0 and 6.4 Ford diesels. The only people I have ever talked to that liked those two engines are the people trying to sell theirs when they are telling you they never had any trouble. Everyone else says run Forest run....

I have heard good things about the GM 6.0 gasser in a 3/4 ton. They get decent mileage for an everyday driver and do well with moderate size 5th wheels. So that may be a less expensive way for you to move up to a more capable tow vehicle.
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:47 PM   #35
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I would definitely agree on moving to a 250/2500. The Diesel vs Gas part seems to be up for debate. I myself have an 06 6.0L. I wouldn't trade it for the world as far as towing is concerned. I tow a Lacrosse 318BHS (8800 loaded) and I don't even know it's back there. That said, I HAVE had the dreaded EGR issues, and I've put over 5k into remedying the problems (EGR Delete, ARP Head Studs, Coolant Filter) and adding some goodies to make the truck "bullet proof". It brought my "cost" of the truck up, but I'm happy with the thought of 85k on an engine that routinely lasts over 400k when taken care of.

You say you want to upgrade the trailer in a few years and not have to upgrade your truck. Just be mindful of how long the truck you purchase will last. If you take care of it and only put 10k on your truck a year, then an older gas might well suit you. Otherwise, I might look at a diesel option (any of the big 3. They all have their +/-'s) for longevity and that comfortable feeling.

Diesel's are better overall for towing. But Gas is certainly cheaper and more convenient. More than once I'm jealous of having to bypass several cheap gas stations to find somewhere that diesel isn't ridiculously priced.
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It brought my "cost" of the truck up, but I'm happy with the thought of 85k on an engine that routinely lasts over 400k when taken care of.
I think the same thing, John. Now, I haven't put many miles on the F150 in the 13 years that I've been using it - 65'ish K miles. Mostly, I take it to the light rail station for work and a little bit of running around. Other than that, we usually take my wife's truck, a little V6 Sport Trac because of the mileage. We just got back into trailering after an 8 year hiatus since we sold the Prowler and moved into the new house, but we don't intend to let this trailer sit idle too long. So, I'm not sure how many miles we'll be putting on it.

The V10 would probably fit the bill, but the diesel sounds very tempting. I've seen a few 7.3's that were in great shape - even a '97 that I might not mind trading back a year because it's that nice. I think the guy wants a little much for it, but it is clean and only 166K miles. Plus, there's no smog on '97 and back diesels. Hmmm...

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What do you think? $10900? It's a close one.

The 7.3's don't scare me as much as the 6.0's. I just spoke to a coworker and she said they replaced the turbo on their '06 3 times - twice under warranty and once out of pocket. After the last time they traded for a Dodge. He's says the the jury's still out on it (true Ford man ). I know when the right one comes along, I'll grab it and I'll be happy with it.
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I just sold a 96 XLT 7.3 2wd king cab long bed with 138,000 for $6,500
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The 6.0 diesel has head stud issues and a weak EGR system. These are well known and documented issues. If you can find one with new head studs and the EGR delete I would buy it in a second. Or even better, find one that has blown headgaskets real cheap and fix it yourself and save even more money. Studs and EGR delete on the 6.0 basically makes it a bulletproof engine with more power than the 7.3 and once those mods are complete it makes it much safer to run a tuner if you like and can actually pick up a few MPGs that way.
Now the 6.4 is a totally different animal. If you're going to keep the truck 100% stock then pass this truck by and keep looking. If you are willing to delete the DPF and need something to pull a mobile home then this is your truck. It's not the best on MPG when light but when towing it holds its own. Power for days and although not as nice as the 2011 models still super comfy. These newer trucks all have issues of some sort. You've just got to figure out what you're willing to live with. It's not the manufactures really, it's the EPA getting involved with diesel trucks. Why do you think the fuel we use has went from 500ppm sulfur diesel to 15ppm sulfur diesel?
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I agree with all the posts. Hard decision. ..... If you need to go older, try to find the 7.3. It is louder but is a workhorse and has been pretty much indestructible. Good Luck.
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The thing drives so nice - no clunking, no rattling and no whinning (except that of the turbo!) Seems like one of those vehicles that was driven by an older couple who took very good care of it. If we get 5 or 6 years out of it with no major issues, we'll be happy. If we get more years, well, we'll be more than happy. Can't wait to hook up the Salem in 2 1/2 weeks! Bring on them hills!!!
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