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Old 08-24-2016, 02:19 PM   #21
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...I just talked to a guy at the nearest highway weigh scale house operated by MTO enforcement and he confirmed what the dealer is telling me. I'm exempt from the CVOR, daily inspections and log book requirements because its a personal use vehicle, but if you're towing a trailer that weighs more than 6171#, you need to have the yellow sticker saying you passed an annual inspection.

That's what you need to do to be legal. So all you folks in Ontario that pull 5ers and longer TTs are running illegal if you don't have the yellow sticker. Before this I had no idea that was the case....

So, based on that, towing my 5840 lbs dry weight TT (so probably over the 6171 lbs no matter how lightly it's loaded) means I need to annually certify my 1/2 ton?

In fact, I'd say based on a 6171 lbs limit, pretty much every trailer (except maybe some pop ups and a frames) are going to be over that limit. When we were looking, it wasn't just longer trailers, some of the hybrids we considered were in the 20ish foot range and still 5k+ dry weights.




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Old 08-24-2016, 02:32 PM   #22
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So, based on that, towing my 5840 lbs dry weight TT (so probably over the 6171 lbs no matter how lightly it's loaded) means I need to annually certify my 1/2 ton?

In fact, I'd say based on a 6171 lbs limit, pretty much every trailer (except maybe some pop ups and a frames) are going to be over that limit. When we were looking, it wasn't just longer trailers, some of the hybrids we considered were in the 20ish foot range and still 5k+ dry weights.

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My previous 2010 Roo 23SS scaled at 5200# ready to camp so I think most hybrids and MiniLites are under the threshold. Most, if not all, 5ers and 27'+ TT would be over and require annual certification. As DDC said, ignorance is bliss and cheaper.

All of this only really matters if you get pulled over by the MTO and weighed. I have no doubt most FRF members don't jeopardize the public with their setups. And I seriously doubt that MTO enforcement really cares much about any RVers except the most obviously overloaded trucks.
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My dealer gave me a choice to debate to 7500 lbs or go for 9900 lbs which I did.

I think you are making a mountain to climb here rather than just registering at rated weight.

The key is recreational vs commercial. Even a boat or utility trailer with quads can be considered recreational use.
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:10 PM   #24
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Sorry, I gave a wrong number for the "brochure curb weight". 3000# is the published payload number. Ford doesn't seem to publish the "base curb weight" but they do specifically say "Payload = GVWR - Base Curb Weight" so Base Curb Weight = GVWR - Payload = 9900-3000 = 6900# for a CC with the gas engine. It seems reasonable for your Lariat trim to add 432#. My XLT would probably be closer to 375# over base weight.
Look at the sticker inside on the drivers door pillar. It will show GVWR and payload for your particular truck that will take any questions out of the equation.

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The key is recreational vs commercial. Even a boat or utility trailer with quads can be considered recreational use.
Brian, that's what I thought too but after looking into it, the Regs and the MTO disagree with us.

For all the typical commercial vehicle stuff (CVOR, daily inspections, log book) you are exempt. But for the annual inspection requirement, it doesn't matter that its a private use vehicle - its about the weight of the vehicle and the weight of the trailer you're towing.

The Regulation says that if you exceed either threshold (vehicle weight of 4500 kg or trailer weight of 2800 kg) you are supposed to do the annual inspection. Period.
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Look at the sticker inside on the drivers door pillar. It will show GVWR and payload for your particular truck that will take any questions out of the equation.

OH BTW..

Congrats on the new truck, you will love it.
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I can speak from experience that itat is 100% correct - MTO does not care if the TV or trailer is commercial or not - you need the yellow sticker on both vehicle and trailer - and the inspection is very rigorous
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So are you guys saying that if I pull my 12000 lb Cedar Creek thru Ontario with my RAM 3500 DRW which has $27 Arkansas tags on it I am going to get fined, I don't think so but i may be wrong. the trl has a $35 permanent tag on it. No weights mentioned anywhere and no inspections required here.
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Can someone point me to the legislation that says a rv needs to be inspected. In every thing I can find private rv's are not included.
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Can someone point me to the legislation that says a rv needs to be inspected. In every thing I can find private rv's are not included.

I would agree. Whomever gave their opinion is in error from the government.
My truck is licensed at 9,900 lbs. 4490 kg.
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