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Old 08-22-2016, 12:24 PM   #1
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Registering a 3/4 Ton Pickup in Ontario

I just signed a deal to trade in my F-150 for a new 2016 F-250 XLT CCSB. The Ford dealer is telling me that I have to have it registered as a "commercial vehicle for personal use" and get a safety inspection done annually. That's an expense and nuisance I wasn't aware of.

Are other members in Ontario, Canada with a 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup having to do this? What's involved?
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Register it under 10000 lb gvwr and you won't have to have a safety done every year. Anything over that has to have one.
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Register it under 10000 lb gvwr and you won't have to have a safety done every year. Anything over that has to have one.
X2 (less than 4500 kg)
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Here is the official document from the good old Ontario Gov't.

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http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/tru...-faq.shtml#a15

If you have an F250 it will have a GVWR of no more than 10k (4500KG) anyway so you should have no issues. I would also suggest calling a motor vehicle office if you are in doubt.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:13 PM   #5
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I'm confused.

According to the MTO website that SaskCampers linked to, if the trailer weighs more than 6171#, you have to register the combined weights of the truck and trailer as the "Registered Gross Weight" (RGW). See the answer to Q#16 at the bottom of the page.

BUT, if you look at the answer to Q#15, it seems to say it's only a "Commercial Motor Vehicle" if it has "an actual or registered gross weight of more than 4,500 kg."

The yellow sticker on the side of the trailer says it has a dry weight of 6165# (6# under the threshold but obviously a lot more fully loaded for camping - that's 7300#) and the truck's GVWR is 9900#, which is less than 4500 kg. So does that mean it's not to be classified as a Commercial Motor Vehicle and not subject to the inspections?
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Here is the official document from the good old Ontario Gov't.

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Commercial vehicle “Frequently asked questions"

If you have an F250 it will have a GVWR of no more than 10k (4500KG) anyway so you should have no issues. I would also suggest calling a motor vehicle office if you are in doubt.
I re-read through the exemption document that SaskCamper posted and found the actual Act online. I'm confident that I'm exempt since I'm using the truck for personal purposes only and its GVWR is less than 4500 kg.

I've got a call in to the local MTO carrier enforcement office and I'll confirm this if they call me back.

Thanks for your help guys.
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Register it under 10000 lb gvwr and you won't have to have a safety done every year. Anything over that has to have one.
X3 Less then 4500Kg, it is the same for Quebec.
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I just received my new RAM 2500 and this is what the dealer told me when I ordered my truck. There were 2 options in the option tab, one is GVWR at 4490 kg (9900 lb) or GVWR at 4535 KG (10000 lb), the 10000 lb option will make it a commercial truck and will need to be inspected/safety every year and I am not sure if you can change the GVWR at the registration bureau. I ordered mine with a GVWR of 9900 lb and still paid 235.00 to get my license sticker, but no inspection.
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Register it under 10000 lb gvwr and you won't have to have a safety done every year. Anything over that has to have one.
X3. You will still pay over $200 a year for your tag, but no inspection.
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I still haven't heard back from MTO. I'll try calling them again tomorrow. The dealer salesperson says he talked to MTO Carrier Enforcement today and was given the same answer that I posted above re Q#16, that is, he was told to register the truck with a Registered Gross Weight (RGW) to cover the combined weight and I'd be subject to annual inspections and have to display the yellow inspection sticker.

The only thing I know for sure so far is that I'm exempt from the CVOR, daily inspection and daily log rules because its a personal vehicle.

While not towing, there's no issue. I'll be well under 4500 kg. Has anybody ever been pulled over by an MTO officer while towing their camper trailer? Am I right that this is a matter of the risk that I could be pulled over for weighing on the side of the road?
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I was asked by the dealer if I wanted it registered personal or commercial, I said personal because that is what it is used for simple really, why do people make problems where there was none.
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:46 AM   #12
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I was asked by the dealer if I wanted it registered personal or commercial, I said personal because that is what it is used for simple really, why do people make problems where there was none.
Technically, in Ontario, all pickups are registered as commercial vehicles. Look at your ownership and it will have "COM" on the top of it signifying it's registered as a commercial vehicle despite what you told your dealer. The ownership on my F-150 has that.

Now, if you don't ever use it for commercial purposes you are automatically exempt from all the commercial vehicle rules except the annual inspection rules. From what I've read, whether or not you have to do annual inspections depends on the registered weight of the truck and if you're towing a trailer weighing more than 6171#. Your trailer will weigh more than 6171# loaded so an MTO officer could fine you if they weigh you when you're towing if you don't have the annual inspection sticker, but what's the chance that you'd ever get inspected? Slim.
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We registered our truck under the combined weight level. We have a one ton. You are exempt because you are towing a recreational rig. My husband asked our mechanic what a yearly inspection would cost. It is minimal as long as everything is OK. But wouldn't you want to know that anyway? He gets the yellow sticker.

A friend who tows a fifth wheel was stopped when he was towing his enclosed motorcycle trailer with his dually. He was asked where his yellow sticker was? He said I tow a 5th wheel so I am exempt. Only when you are towing the rig was the reply. He had to get both truck and trailer inspected. Beware.
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Not sure where you get these info, I live in Quebec and own a F 350, no need to get an inspection because It is registered as a personal vehicle, for leisure or a similar category. The key is that the dealer put the right info on the registration papers. My GVWR is 11500 lbs.


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Eagle2405, Quebec is an entirely different jurisdiction so what they do may be different.

I just talked to a guy at the nearest highway weigh scale house operated by MTO enforcement and he confirmed what the dealer is telling me. I'm exempt from the CVOR, daily inspections and log book requirements because its a personal use vehicle, but if you're towing a trailer that weighs more than 6171#, you need to have the yellow sticker saying you passed an annual inspection.

That's what you need to do to be legal. So all you folks in Ontario that pull 5ers and longer TTs are running illegal if you don't have the yellow sticker. Before this I had no idea that was the case.

I guess it would only be a problem if you get pulled over but the dealer has already gone ahead and registered my new truck with a RGW of 6,811 kg to account for the truck/TT combination.

Does anyone know the actual curb weight of an F250 with the 6.2L gas engine? All I know is the GVWR is 4491 kg (9900#) and the brochure says the curb weight is 1361 kg (3000#).
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Eagle2405, Quebec is an entirely different jurisdiction so what they do may be different.

I just talked to a guy at the nearest highway weigh scale house operated by MTO enforcement and he confirmed what the dealer is telling me. I'm exempt from the CVOR, daily inspections and log book requirements because its a personal use vehicle, but if you're towing a trailer that weighs more than 6171#, you need to have the yellow sticker saying you passed an annual inspection.

That's what you need to do to be legal. So all you folks in Ontario that pull 5ers and longer TTs are running illegal if you don't have the yellow sticker. Before this I had no idea that was the case.

I guess it would only be a problem if you get pulled over but the dealer has already gone ahead and registered my new truck with a RGW of 6,811 kg to account for the truck/TT combination.

Does anyone know the actual curb weight of an F250 with the 6.2L gas engine? All I know is the GVWR is 4491 kg (9900#) and the brochure says the curb weight is 1361 kg (3000#).
The 2011 Lariat CC 4x4 6.2 in my sig weighs 7332 lbs with a full tank of gas and no one in it. I weighed it at a truck weigh scale.
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No kidding. And having a dealer who doesn't research it.
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If you're truck is registered over 4500kg and you are towing only your camper trailer you are exempt. As soon as you put a utility trailer back there and are over 10000lbs you will get a fine.


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The 2011 Lariat CC 4x4 6.2 in my sig weighs 7332 lbs with a full tank of gas and no one in it. I weighed it at a truck weigh scale.
Sorry, I gave a wrong number for the "brochure curb weight". 3000# is the published payload number. Ford doesn't seem to publish the "base curb weight" but they do specifically say "Payload = GVWR - Base Curb Weight" so Base Curb Weight = GVWR - Payload = 9900-3000 = 6900# for a CC with the gas engine. It seems reasonable for your Lariat trim to add 432#. My XLT would probably be closer to 375# over base weight.
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