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Old 10-10-2012, 11:21 PM   #31
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With that light a pin weight I get a large amount of front end hunting and go through front tires way faster than rears. I also can't take my hands off the wheel since every breeze will head me in a new direction. This is not sway; buy dynamic instability due to minimum pin loading.
Interesting...I've always been at 15 -16% pin weight and have never noticed what you're describing. The camper has tracked fine with either TV I've had...done many 10+ hour towing days so it's not 'work' to tow.

I don't think I could get to 20% pin weight unless I put all the contents of the kitchen ahead of the axles (and a cement block or few)!

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Old 10-10-2012, 11:23 PM   #32
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Interesting...I've always been at 15 -16% pin weight and have never noticed what you're describing. The camper has tracked fine with either TV I've had. I don't think I could get to 20% pin weight unless I put all the contents of the kitchen ahead of the axles (and a cement block or few)!

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Next time you take it out, keep what I said in mind and see what you think. It was wear bars on my front tires after 1 year of towing that got me my Michelins.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:57 PM   #33
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What makes you say this? Looks like based on options for the 2008 1500s the GVWR ranges from 6800 - 7200 pounds.

7000 seems about right no?
I meant that the truch should not weigh 7k right now. Yes gvw would be around there but gvw that is on stickers in door jams is not the actual weight of the vehicle as most of you know, but there are a lot that don't.
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I meant that the truck should not weigh 7k right now. Yes gvw would be around there but gvw that is on stickers in door jams is not the actual weight of the vehicle as most of you know, but there are a lot that don't.
That is true. His "pillar payload" should be subtracted from the "pillar GVWR" will give him his "curb weight" (Truck with 150 pound driver and a tank of gas).

His "tow rating" (the 10,500 pound number) is based on towing AT the curb weight. Every additional pound added to the truck affects the weight you can pull and more importantly the portion of that weight you can carry on your back.

To understand where he is, he will need a true reading of available payload and the only way to do that is to work UP from an accurate starting weight; not GVWR minus Curb Payload.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:47 PM   #35
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That is true. His "pillar payload" should be subtracted from the "pillar GVWR" will give him his "curb weight" (Truck with 150 pound driver and a tank of gas).

His "tow rating" (the 10,500 pound number) is based on towing AT the curb weight. Every additional pound added to the truck affects the weight you can pull and more importantly the portion of that weight you can carry on your back.

To understand where he is, he will need a true reading of available payload and the only way to do that is to work UP from an accurate starting weight; not GVWR minus Curb Payload.
Ok, all of this info is building a mountain and alot of concerns. I called the dealer today and the 5th wheel is do off of the line tomorrow, now I am told that the hitch weighs 50 lbs, I had questions about the pin weight, I was told that the pin weight will not change once I load the camper as long as there is no more cargo added above the hitch, the only thing that will be effected will be the towable weight down in the living space the upper section is the bedroom and that will be underwear and things like that. I am also told that I have more then enough truck for this 5th wheel, and just when I thought I had all of the terms down and was starting to understand them now there is new one "CURB PAYLOAD". It seems like every corner I turn there is a different anwser......................

I hope everyone out there that has question on the same subject is following along, this one reason I wanted this on an open thread......so that we all can learn together!!!
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I find it very very hard to believe the hitch weights 50 lbs. I can barely lift mine.

Has anyone figured add ons ?
Blue tote
Hitch
Battery or batteries 30/60 lbs
Propane tanks full are almost 100 lbs
Tv's
Pillows blankets
Food / beverages
Tools
outsIdeTable
Fire wood
Spare tire and holder
Water in Hw heater
Pots pans glasses plates
Silverware
Dog food
Bathroom supplies hair dryers etc etc
Lanterns and fuel
Outside chairs
Coolers filled with ice


I've always figured 1000 lbs add on weight for just things we bring to the camper for camping not including the dealer add ons.

Anything added ahead of front axle has an affect on pin weight.

Just my misc ramblings.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I can't agree with what your dealer is telling you. Any 5th wheel hitch with slider is going to be a minimum of 150 lbs for a manual set-up upwards to 300 lbs for a auto-slider.

As far a pin weight and the weight change once it's loaded, you only have to look at the storage areas to visualize where the 1000 lbs of 'stuff' will go. On that floorplan, there is very little storage behind the axles...lots in front of them. You're forgetting the amount of gear that will be going into the basement storage under the bedroom. I don't see where you'd store gear and offset the added weight in front of the axles. Even if they offset, the loaded pin weight still increases. I'm pretty sure the the spec dry pin weight wouldn't include the battery or full propane bottles.

You're at the point of no return on the camper now. First thing I'd be doing is running the set-up over the scales and then see where you are. Having all your gear in the camper would be best when scaling it.

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I wish you best of luck and I bet you enjoy the new 5er!!! Hope it all works out!!

I'm sure we all would love to give our opinion if you are ever In need of a new tv.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I can't agree with what your dealer is telling you. Any 5th wheel hitch with slider is going to be a minimum of 150 lbs for a manual set-up upwards to 300 lbs for a auto-slider.

As far a pin weight and the weight change once it's loaded, you only have to look at the storage areas to visualize where the 1000 lbs of 'stuff' will go. On that floorplan, there is very little storage behind the axles...lots in front of them. You're forgetting the amount of gear that will be going into the basement storage under the bedroom. I don't see where you'd store gear and offset the added weight in front of the axles. Even if they offset, the loaded pin weight still increases. I'm pretty sure the the spec dry pin weight wouldn't include the battery or full propane bottles.

You're at the point of no return on the camper now. First thing I'd be doing is running the set-up over the scales and then see where you are. Having all your gear in the camper would be best when scaling it.

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Thanks Dave, more info to bring up at my next dealers meeting,...... tomorrow on the phone.
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I wish you best of luck and I bet you enjoy the new 5er!!! Hope it all works out!!

I'm sure we all would love to give our opinion if you are ever In need of a new tv.
MillerTime, When it comes time for another truck it will be another Chevy but I will run it by you all for approval
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